Psyops by Wealthy Conservatives

obslop

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afoaf

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reopen america

yeah, but it's just a flu so who cares if people get it?
 

the janitor

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I’m sure many of the loan terms are favorable to the companies

but they’re still loans

the govt isn’t going to issue loans to every household and even if they did they could never expect them to be paid back

the overall point is you can do this type of thing for a short period to keep a company as a going concern

you can’t do this for an entire country that depends on wages

as for why airlines are strategic

we have a huge country

the govt isn’t prepared to take over passenger air travel for the entire nation if all of the airlines fail

agree on the difficulties of managing the loan mechanics across the entire population. Which is why I'd say for people just go with grants. If the gov't is going to force you to stay inside and not work, then I'm thinking they are on the hook for more than a one time $1,200 payment in this specific experiment we are enjoying.

As for the airlines:

 
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casa_mugrienta

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reopen america

Curious - just how long do you think we can keep America closed?

Don't give me some answer about testing.

I'm talking about an actual time frame.
 

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One reason the aircraft business is high on the list of priorities is that the US companies sell a lot of very expensive aircraft and parts and training to customers all over the world. It's a significant export to our economy. Big barrier to entry for would-be competitors, so if these companies go down in the U.S. they may never come back up.
 

the janitor

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One reason the aircraft business is high on the list of priorities is that the US companies sell a lot of very expensive aircraft and parts and training to customers all over the world. It's a significant export to our economy. Big barrier to entry for would-be competitors, so if these companies go down in the U.S. they may never come back up.
manufacturers sure, agreed. But airlines?
 

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Those are among the customer base of those manufacturers. I'm not sure about the wisdom of propping up any one airline over another, but propping a bunch of them up as a group might be to our long term advantage.
 
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the janitor

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Those are among the customers of those manufacturers.
yes, and? If some of them had to restructure in bankruptcy they'd still be buying, though likely on a smaller scale. Or new entities would pop up and do the same.

I think manufacturers also have the military as a relatively captive market?
 

obslop

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Curious - just how long do you think we can keep America closed?

Don't give me some answer about testing.

I'm talking about an actual time frame.
why either or?

why not focus limited resources on those that need it most like these people working at Walmart among others?
 

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Billy Ocean

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Because you mocked the idea of opening up.

Without providing context.

I'd still like to know how long you think we can exist in this sort of economy. (?)



Please explain.
he’s looking for an indirect bailout of Footlocker and the meth market, duh
 

obslop

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Because you mocked the idea of opening up.

Without providing context.

I'd still like to know how long you think we can exist in this sort of economy. (?)



Please explain.
i mock the idea of reopening everything without adequate testing/contact tracing in place. this is what the protestors want (as well as rich business owners funding the protests) and it's idiocy.

i have no issue with intelligent decisions to reopen in stages by utilizing existing resources to minimize to the extent possible unnecessary injury/death from the virus.

SD county BTW is in the process of hiring 500 people to work as contact tracers.

at the end of the day you don't want a thoughtful solution; just an argument.

re: essential workers:

 
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casa_mugrienta

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at the end of the day you don't want a thoughtful solution; just an argument.
What?

I've written essays here, today as a matter of fact, on thoughtful solutions.

Have you read them?

Also, when it comes to testing, I'm in the Osterholm camp.

You still haven't given me any sort of answer as to how long an economy can stay closed without collapsing.
 
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obslop

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What?

I've written essays here, today as a matter of fact, on thoughtful solutions.

Have you read them?

Also, when it comes to testing, I'm in the Osterholm camp.

You still haven't given me any sort of answer as to how long an economy can stay closed without collapsing.
if necessary, congress will enact universal income; your dream of societal collapse isn't going to happen

 
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FecalFace

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Just as many, if not more human lives are on the line the longer we experiment with a close economy and the repercussions of it afterward
How are human lives on the line?

How is economic hardship worse than death?

And exaggerating the economic hardship and saying that people will die of "starvation" and "suicide" is ridicilous.

This false equivalence bullshit has to stop.

Absolutely clueless about what constitutes hardship.