paddling fatigue

[freeride76]

depends on what/who you are comparing them to.

compared to linebackers or bodybuilders, no.
compared to a surfer who is a desk jockey/cube monkey, probably.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

you think Medina and Fanning are string beans?

Florence?

They're more like classic middleweights. Even UFC middleweights, or close enough.

No. Not even close. Ufc middleweight class is 185lbs. at weigh in.

These guys step into the cage at around 200 or more.

And JJF doesn’t train anywhere close to as hard as fighters. Neither did Fanning in his prime.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

I fully agree with you. What kicked this off was talking about "extra muscle mass". The top level surfers we're talking about are nowhere near having extra muscle mass.

Best thing that 99% of surfers can do to surf better, longer and catch more waves is lose weight. Period.

 

[Leaverite]

We argue about this and then there is SUP.

 

[bigglesworth]

Best thing that 99% of surfers can do to surf better, longer and catch more waves is lose weight. Period.

Best thing most people in the first world can do these days.

Can’t see the harm in some light weight training for the rec surfer. I do a bit, nothing too crazy. Isn’t it supposed to increase your metabolism, which in turn helps you lose weight?

 

[Leaverite]

Oar no more..

 

[Leaverite]

Have a next door neighbor his is a full on oareo. Been surfing since 1974. How can you degenerate to the point to hold an oar???

 

[Leaverite]

It's a piece of our whole history these days. How do we deal with theses Oreo Fvcks???

 

[Leaverite]

Total kooks. they have no place in the establishment of the natural world.

 

[bigglesworth]

don't drink and think about sup-ing?

I've never seen an sup at dawn patrol, which says something methinks

 

[freeride76]

Best thing that 99% of surfers can do to surf better, longer and catch more waves is lose weight. Period.

yes and no. I think Americans tend to be fatter and in poorer shape, generally speaking.
most of the crew I know are in shape.

changing body fat %, ie getting stronger, exchanging some fat for muscle, whatever weight you are might be more important than getting lighter per se.

all depends.

I'll tell you where my thinking comes from.

I used to basically train cardio/endurance, or whatever. swimming, bit of running, bike riding etc etc.

then I met Jan Carlton, who runs a CHEK training thing and got Fanning back into shape after he tore the hamstring off the bone in 2006/7.
She told me that surfers, even ones who surfed a lot and were ostensibly "fit" were weak and that a lack of strength in key areas was a structural problem and people who trained and resolved those weaknesses would massively benefit.

which Fanning did.

I took years to take that advice, wish I did sooner.

I'm the same weight I was then, same weight I was when I was 19, but heaps stronger now and surf better.

 

[Leaverite]

Nut up. Be as big and as huge as you can be,

 

[bigglesworth]

changing body fat %, ie getting stronger, exchanging some fat for muscle, whatever weight you are might be more important than getting lighter per se.

Agreed, I put on a bit of muscle in the last 2 years, I feel like I'm surfing better.

I get cold in the winter more easily though. Not sure if it's less insulation or the longer sessions.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Best thing most people in the first world can do these days.

Can’t see the harm in some light weight training for the rec surfer. I do a bit, nothing too crazy. Isn’t it supposed to increase your metabolism, which in turn helps you lose weight?

Eating less is how you lose weight.

 

[bigglesworth]

Eating less is how you lose weight.

At rest one pound of muscle burns 50 calories per day as opposed to 3 per pound of fat. Replacing fat with muscle seems like a smart way to ensure long-term weight loss, if that is one’s goal.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

At rest one pound of muscle burns 50 calories per day as opposed to 3 per pound of fat. Replacing fat with muscle seems like a smart way to ensure long-term weight loss, if that is one’s goal.

Can’t believe this myth persists.

 

[grapedrink]

Eating less is how you lose weight.

Building more muscle mass also allows you to eat more without gaining fat, or weight if you keep your calories in balance.

People conflate fat loss with weight loss far too often. Oftentimes when people lose weight without some form of strength training, or at least some form of strenuous activity that sends a signal to maintain muscle mass, they tend to lose just as much muscle as they do fat. They just end up a smaller version of their fatter self.

 

[grapedrink]

Can’t believe this myth persists.

A pound of muscle certainly burns more calories than a pound of fat. That said, I agree that it is not nearly as much as advertised.

 

[Autoprax]

How much is extra?

Replacing fat with muscle that makes you stronger is good.

 

[bigglesworth]

How much is extra?

Replacing fat with muscle that makes you stronger is good.

I pulled my stat from google, not sure how accurare it is.

But, basically, yeah, can’t hurt to replace fat with muscle, while getting to healthy bmi