Can we take over Mexico now?

mundus

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Which president? Obama?
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I also believe we need to just go no mercy on the cartels. Go pass the Mexico fed guv and take them out, families and all.

We need to treat them like we treat ISIS and Al Qeada, as their tactics are no different. If it needs to be covert, so be it.

Let the up and coming cartel replacements know they'll be taken out the same no mercy way, and do so. Make them never want anything to do with cartel biz again, and keep pounding them until no one wants to even be associated with them in the least. Make them kryptonite to anyone nearby. It will be messy, but it's the only way.
As long as the demand is there, there will be someone to supply it.
 
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Duffy LaCoronilla

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There were a couple of things that went into that decision, like it turned out he had no pending arrest warrant in Mexico for one. I’m surprised more people weren’t killed. How many souls would it be worth to capture him and hold him until the extradition process was completed and he was transported to the US for trial? 50? 200? This could easily gone a whole lot worse.
Well it‘s going to be a lot worse than what happened on just that day. Obrador just set the new standard.

Violence results in freedom.

I’d like to say again that there probably is no solution to this mess, but I believe the US can help with strict immigration enforcement and if we all would stop buying hardcore street drugs.

One political party (actually both) has no interest in the former and millions of addicts have no interest in the latter.
 

ElOgro

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How do you tell if somewhere is a no drive area?
Sometimes there’s a roadblock, like last Saturday when they weren’t letting public transport between Petatlán and Lázaro. You know there’s a beef, doesn’t matter why, stay away.

Or

When your car is getting ripped to sh!t with automatic weapons fire it’ll be your last thought.

Catchale veinte dos. Verdad que sí!
 

ElOgro

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I also believe we need to just go no mercy on the cartels. Go pass the Mexico fed guv and take them out, families and all.

We need to treat them like we treat ISIS and Al Qeada, as their tactics are no different. If it needs to be covert, so be it.

Let the up and coming cartel replacements know they'll be taken out the same no mercy way, and do so. Make them never want anything to do with cartel biz again, and keep pounding them until no one wants to even be associated with them in the least. Make them kryptonite to anyone nearby. It will be messy, but it's the only way.

Mexico government will be pissed, but f them if they balk.
You’re too old for the armed services but maybe the CIA can put you to work. Put together a team of like minded internet warriors and kick some beaner ass.
 

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Sometimes there’s a roadblock, like last Saturday when they weren’t letting public transport between Petatlán and Lázaro. You know there’s a beef, doesn’t matter why, stay away.

Or

When your car is getting ripped to sh!t with automatic weapons fire it’ll be your last thought.

Catchale veinte dos. Verdad que sí!
Okay I remember that happening a few times on 200. Solid 14 hours around it, but at least it didn't get cut off completely.
 

everysurfer

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1. Yes

2. No No No!

3. The mexican government is corrupt top to bottom and is largely controlled by cartels. They know where the cartels are.

4. The bribes to individuals in government from cartels is has more sway than any sanctions we might consider. Sanctions will only make the people of mexico poorer, more desperate and more dependent on the cartels to get them out of their situation

5. The mexican government is corrupt top to bottom and is largely controlled by cartels. Giving Mexicans control over the targets and fire orders is giving cartels control over the targets and orders.

One cartel pays off the government to drone strike another cartel, but to leave the bribing cartel alone.

If drones are used we control them from start to finish. I have no real issue whatsoever with going into a full scale war against the cartels. Kill them all. These people are barely human.

Go on liveleak and search “cartel videos”. It’ll ruin your day but it will give you a better sense of who these people are.
Not going to watch the videos. But you convinced me. We control the drones, and kill them all. See, I'm flexible
 

GDaddy

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This whole discussion is ridiculous. Mexican citizens are the victims of violent crime in the US on the regular and we don't tolerate the Mexican Govt's protests. Why should they tolerate or even consider a US Intervention?


Americans going into Mexico to wage war on the Cartels is not going to solve the problem. All it takes is one bad drone strike, one extrajuducial killing, one unjust conviction and the Mexican people will side with the Cartels and against the gringo intervention. The U.S. can provide training and support and intel and such, but the operations must be commanded and run by the Mexican govt. We cannot give them law and order - they must take it for themselves.
 
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mundus

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This whole discussion is ridiculous. Mexican citizens are the victims of violent crime in the US on the regular and we don't tolerate the Mexican Govt's protests. Why should they tolerate or even consider a US Intervention?


Americans going into Mexico to wage war on the Cartels is not going to solve the problem. All it takes is one bad drone strike, one extrajuducial killing, one unjust conviction and the Mexican people will side with the Cartels and against the gringo intervention. The U.S. can provide training and support and intel and such, but the operations must be commanded and run by the Mexican govt. We cannot give them law and order - they must take it for themselves.
Thanks for the voice of reason.
 

Duffy LaCoronilla

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This whole discussion is ridiculous. Mexican citizens are the victims of violent crime in the US on the regular and we don't tolerate the Mexican Govt's protests. Why should they tolerate or even consider a US Intervention?


Americans going into Mexico to wage war on the Cartels is not going to solve the problem. All it takes is one bad drone strike, one extrajuducial killing, one unjust conviction and the Mexican people will side with the Cartels and against the gringo intervention. The U.S. can provide training and support and intel and such, but the operations must be commanded and run by the Mexican govt. We cannot give them law and order - they must take it for themselves.
A single group with a common goal committing wholesale murder on mexican citizens, and anyone else they want to, to further the aims of their criminal enterprise is a whole lot different than a murder here and murder there.
 

ElOgro

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This whole discussion is ridiculous. Mexican citizens are the victims of violent crime in the US on the regular and we don't tolerate the Mexican Govt's protests. Why should they tolerate or even consider a US Intervention?


Americans going into Mexico to wage war on the Cartels is not going to solve the problem. All it takes is one bad drone strike, one extrajuducial killing, one unjust conviction and the Mexican people will side with the Cartels and against the gringo intervention. The U.S. can provide training and support and intel and such, but the operations must be commanded and run by the Mexican govt. We cannot give them law and order - they must take it for themselves.
Well yeah.

The US does provide training and support and intel and such and has through the last 25 years or more.

How much colateral damage is acceptable in the world view? Mexico knows how to mow their problems down, they’ve been doing it forever.

Also, welcome back you xenophobic homophobic racist conservative.
 

ElOgro

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A single group with a common goal committing wholesale murder on mexican citizens, and anyone else they want to, to further the aims of their criminal enterprise is a whole lot different than a murder here and murder there.
It’s not a single group. It’s a part of society.
 

Duffy LaCoronilla

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Which movie in the series is that? The third?
The one where Eric Holder and Barak Obama devised a scheme along with the ATF to give American guns to mexican criminals (Cartels) so that when/if those guns showed up back here they’d know how weapons are smuggled into the US.

Except they failed to track the guns and they never told mexican authorities about the plan (because mexico is so corrupt).

It’s been prove that some of these guns have killed americans, Mexican law enforcement and countless mexican citizen.

thanks, Obama.
 

GDaddy

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Well yeah.

The US does provide training and support and intel and such and has through the last 25 years or more.

How much colateral damage is acceptable in the world view? Mexico knows how to mow their problems down, they’ve been doing it forever.

Also, welcome back you xenophobic homophobic racist conservative.
I didn't want you to get lonely.

As for what else the U.S. can do, I don't think Trump is in any position to be making any additional demands of the Mexican govt. They're already extending themselves on behalf of our immigration policies.

The "Americans" living in those communities gots to go with the flow. Assimilate or GTFO. If everyone else has to pay to play then so do they.
 
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