What do you consider a comfortable annual salary?

the janitor

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Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
casa_mugrienta said:
And remember - lenders will approve you for double what you can actually afford.

That said, I'm still curious what a lot of these people in coastal San Diego do for a living, how much their take home is, and how much debt they're holding,
Don't worry, home values will never decrease, so you'll always be able to refi and never be a default risk, and it's not like people would have a COUNTRYWIDE incentive to walk away from underwater assets costing them interest, so we can use this 2x actually affordable loan as the basis for all kinds of margin gambling. What could go wrong?
Not sure I follow, could you put that in Lehman's terms?
If we have a Bear market, there could be Stearn consequences.
If it gets that bad I hope Washington has some sort of Mutual aid package that'll Chase any consequences away
 

Sharkbiscuit

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the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
casa_mugrienta said:
And remember - lenders will approve you for double what you can actually afford.

That said, I'm still curious what a lot of these people in coastal San Diego do for a living, how much their take home is, and how much debt they're holding,
Don't worry, home values will never decrease, so you'll always be able to refi and never be a default risk, and it's not like people would have a COUNTRYWIDE incentive to walk away from underwater assets costing them interest, so we can use this 2x actually affordable loan as the basis for all kinds of margin gambling. What could go wrong?
Not sure I follow, could you put that in Lehman's terms?
If we have a Bear market, there could be Stearn consequences.
If it gets that bad I hope Washington has some sort of Mutual aid package that'll Chase any consequences away
Agreed. Some called for heads to roll but I don't think it Merrills, I mean merits, a Lynch mob.
 

Sharkbiscuit

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Racer1 said:
Bankruptcies are uppppppp
It's not like there's $9T in corporate debt and a new liquidity ebola vector. Relax.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/theres-a-9-trillion-corporate-debt-bomb-bubbling-in-the-us-economy.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-funds-revive-the-junk-bond-cdo-1541592000
 

the janitor

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Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
Don't worry, home values will never decrease, so you'll always be able to refi and never be a default risk, and it's not like people would have a COUNTRYWIDE incentive to walk away from underwater assets costing them interest, so we can use this 2x actually affordable loan as the basis for all kinds of margin gambling. What could go wrong?
Not sure I follow, could you put that in Lehman's terms?
If we have a Bear market, there could be Stearn consequences.
If it gets that bad I hope Washington has some sort of Mutual aid package that'll Chase any consequences away
Agreed. Some called for heads to roll but I don't think it Merrills, I mean merits, a Lynch mob.
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racer1

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Sharkbiscuit said:
Racer1 said:
Bankruptcies are uppppppp
It's not like there's $9T in corporate debt and a new liquidity ebola vector. Relax.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/theres-a-9-trillion-corporate-debt-bomb-bubbling-in-the-us-economy.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-funds-revive-the-junk-bond-cdo-1541592000

I meant personals but that's scary.
 

Kento

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Havoc4k said:
and the solution is gonna be liberal socialism! free chit for everyone! :roflmao:
Beats conservative socialism which is just more free sh!t for the rich at the expense of everyone else.
 

Havoc

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Kento said:
Havoc4k said:
and the solution is gonna be liberal socialism! free chit for everyone! :roflmao:
Beats conservative socialism which is just more free sh!t for the rich at the expense of everyone else.
touche!

crays on both sidez of the spectrum. where are the reasonable people lol.

#militantmoderate
 

Kento

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Havoc4k said:
Kento said:
Havoc4k said:
and the solution is gonna be liberal socialism! free chit for everyone! :roflmao:
Beats conservative socialism which is just more free sh!t for the rich at the expense of everyone else.
touche!

crays on both sidez of the spectrum. where are the reasonable people lol.

#militantmoderate

:jam_on:
 

gbg

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If you are sick and tired of being taxed to death, paying top dollar to live anywhere good and barely getting by, wipe your debt away at least. You will be more comfortable. I know people who shed all credit card debt, HELOC, and still kept their house. Fuck these greedy bastards. They are making a killing on you and are also the ones that encourage illegal immigration you are funding. They are fucking you both ways.


 

hammies

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Excluding housing costs, I think we could live well on $8K/month after taxes. I like to travel. Our kids are adults.

Housing costs can be the crazy factor - in my town the cheapest 3BR detached home is a 700 sq. ft. dump on a 3400 sq. ft. lot in the industrial district, across the street from a construction company's yard and 2 separate auto repair shops. $699K. Average around here is about $1.3M.

To put into perspective, here's a true story. The house across the street goes up for sale and has an open house, so I go over. While there I chat it up with the old lady down the block and we were talking about how ridiculous housing prices were. She says that when she and her husband bought their house new in 1950, everyone was saying how our town was getting sooooo expensive, and how could anyone's children ever expect to live there with the high cost of houses, and so on. Price then? $8900
 

Mike_Jones

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GromsDad said:
Around here a lot of the developers in the game often buy with cash which makes it hard for someone who might want to buy and live in the old house to get the deal. The developer doesn't have to go through the mortgage process, home inspection, get insurance....etc all of which takes time for the first time home buyer.
However, the older houses which will be torn down are for sale in the same market with the other older houses which will be sold to people who want to live in them. That market determines the value which builders must pay for tear downs. The same principle applies to cash buyers. The risk vs benefit formula which limits old house values to about 35% of new house values helps peg the value of older houses. A cash-buyer builder determines old house values on the same risk vs benefit formula as lenders.

If the used house cost drives the new construction asking price too high to sell then the investment becomes too risky.

Often the highest price for an older house will come from a potential new house owner who likes the lot. People who want to save realtor fees by selling directly to cash-buyer builders usually get lower prices, and often have to wait through weeks of contingency sale time. Market exposure is key.
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jamesgang

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My goal this year is to pay off all debt and at least 50% of my mortgage, that way if sh!t goes pear shaped I can just go fishing, work at McDonalds, save cans, whatever.
 

crustBrother

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Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
And remember - lenders will approve you for double what you can actually afford.

That said, I'm still curious what a lot of these people in coastal San Diego do for a living, how much their take home is, and how much debt they're holding,

Don't worry, home values will never decrease, so you'll always be able to refi and never be a default risk, and it's not like people would have a COUNTRYWIDE incentive to walk away from underwater assets costing them interest, so we can use this 2x actually affordable loan as the basis for all kinds of margin gambling. What could go wrong?
Not sure I follow, could you put that in Lehman's terms?
If we have a Bear market, there could be Stearn consequences.
If it gets that bad I hope Washington has some sort of Mutual aid package that'll Chase any consequences away
Agreed. Some called for heads to roll but I don't think it Merrills, I mean merits, a Lynch mob.
Funniest sh!t ever! ROTFLMAO :laughingpointing: :applause2: :bowdown: :jam_on:
 

ringer

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Aug 2, 2002
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the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
the janitor said:
Sharkbiscuit said:
casa_mugrienta said:
And remember - lenders will approve you for double what you can actually afford.

That said, I'm still curious what a lot of these people in coastal San Diego do for a living, how much their take home is, and how much debt they're holding,
Don't worry, home values will never decrease, so you'll always be able to refi and never be a default risk, and it's not like people would have a COUNTRYWIDE incentive to walk away from underwater assets costing them interest, so we can use this 2x actually affordable loan as the basis for all kinds of margin gambling. What could go wrong?
Not sure I follow, could you put that in Lehman's terms?
If we have a Bear market, there could be Stearn consequences.
If it gets that bad I hope Washington has some sort of Mutual aid package that'll Chase any consequences away


You guys are clever.

 

over the falls

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Haha, double dipping. Receiving a full blown government retirement , now working a full
time shuttle bus driving job. Comes out to about $ 7,360.00 per month . It's not the best, but it's not the worst .

At 57, duck it. I'm living life happy and don't worry about sh!t.
Two more years I'll have the triplets braces paid off. No rent , no house payment, just my
phone bill and car insurance. I planned well.
Three retirements. Military , the City of Newort Beach Calif. and now Social security. I'm a dumb ass bastid when
It comes to the forum. But not so dumb financially . Life is good
 

hammies

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Muscles said:
hammies said:
Excluding housing costs, I think we could live well on $8K/month after taxes. I like to travel. Our kids are adults.
You need 100K net per year, excluding housing, to be comfortable?
Yeah. I like to live well. Travel, steak dinners, good wine, sh!t like that. Plus I got a wife who likes to shop. Happy wife, happy life!
 

Leaverite

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otf said:
Haha, double dipping. Receiving a full blown government retirement , now working a full
time shuttle bus driving job. Comes out to about $ 7,360.00 per month . It's not the best, but it's not the worst .

At 57, duck it. I'm living life happy and don't worry about sh!t.
Two more years I'll have the triplets braces paid off. No rent , no house payment, just my
phone bill and car insurance. I planned well.
Three retirements. Military , the City of Newort Beach Calif. and now Social security. I'm a dumb ass bastid when
It comes to the forum. But not so dumb financially . Life is good

I work a lot with Govt. pensions. This is not double dipping, its being saavy.

So many teachers I know retire, collect their CalSTRS pension and then are allowed to work part time earning $45,000 for 19/20 as a retire/rehire before it affects their pension.

And all of those pensions you mentioned otf do not conflict with each other. They owe you money.