Let's keep ignoring the fact that lithium will never be as toxic as extracting and burning fossil fuels. Ever.
So fucking stupid.
Also, birds are not real.
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So fucking stupid.
Also, birds are not real.
Oh that's a good gotcha.
You got me bad.
I've been humbled by your factual, coherent and concise argument.
Fucking hell.
Those are evaporation ponds, not leach fields.
The surface mining of those Atacama deposits are brines that are pumped into discreet areas, and once the water evaporates away, the companies take away what is left for further refining.
More here for the interested.
And yeah, no one should ever think their preferred industrial production of X is without environmental costs.
Ashland, Oregon, has a little park, Lithia Park. There is a free fountain that you can fill up your container of lithium rich water.
Tried some once, to see if my mood would be changed and neither I or my wife could tell the difference. But maybe we didn't drink enough for long enough? The flavor works against wanting to drinking much for any period of time.
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In the 1920s, there was interest in bottling Lithia Water and marketing it. The business community asked that a fountain be installed on the Plaza, where people could easily find it (the next closest Lithia Fountain was in the park). The city obliged and this fountain was installed in 1927, built from local granite. The “jug filler,” where you could fill a “growler” was installed too, and is still located just to the south of the fountain itself.
Ashland’s Lithia Fountain was designed a Landmark by the American Water Works Association in 1982. The lithia water fountain is still maintained today, though more as a local oddity than for the water’s supposed health benefits. It was completely restored, to address damage, in 2010. The lithia water might have been popular in the early 20th century, but today it’s just known for tasting terrible, and according to some, like egg salad.
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After massive bus fire, CT pulls electric fleet from service
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July 26, 2022
One day after officials touted the passage of the Connecticut Clean Air Act, including plans for thousands of electric vehicles to hit the road, one of the state-run electric buses caught on fire over the weekend.
The blaze engulfed a CTtransit bus in a Hamden parking lot Saturday morning, sending two workers and a firefighter to the hospital, officials said.
“Lithium ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites,” Hamden fire officials said.
Two transit workers were hospitalized as a precaution after being exposed to the smoke. A firefighter was also taken to the hospital for heat exhaustion, officials said.
The bus was delivered in December and began service in January, CTtransit spokesperson Josh Rickman said.....
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Keep flailing, anecdotal straw man.After massive bus fire, CT pulls electric fleet from service
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July 26, 2022
One day after officials touted the passage of the Connecticut Clean Air Act, including plans for thousands of electric vehicles to hit the road, one of the state-run electric buses caught on fire over the weekend.
The blaze engulfed a CTtransit bus in a Hamden parking lot Saturday morning, sending two workers and a firefighter to the hospital, officials said.
“Lithium ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites,” Hamden fire officials said.
Two transit workers were hospitalized as a precaution after being exposed to the smoke. A firefighter was also taken to the hospital for heat exhaustion, officials said.
The bus was delivered in December and began service in January, CTtransit spokesperson Josh Rickman said.....
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Prozac?
Depakote?
Carbetqzol?
Can we all just agree we should go OG and go back to walking, running. Maybe a horse and buggy or a bicycle?
nothing is perfect and each have their downside. Just need a good balance.
Lets fuk up Greenland to get more battery storage for electric cars. How freaking awesome!!!!!
www.cnn.com
Billionaires are funding a massive treasure hunt in Greenland as ice vanishes | CNN
Some of the world's richest men are funding a massive treasure hunt in Greenland as sea and land ice melts.
www.cnn.com
Not a peep about billionaires plundering Greenland for a way to make more billions on batteries.
Now try running that statistic without including fires started by wrecks. So, it's a.....
......lie.
Lithium batteries don't need a reason to catch fire. They just start burning .....very hot.
Porsche shipment catches fire in the Atlantic, no Australia-bound cars affected – UPDATE: Ship sinks
An estimated 2500 Volkswagen Group vehicles are adrift and ablaze in the middle of the world's second largest ocean.
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Again arguing actual statistics with anecdotal evidence.Now try running that statistic without including fires started by wrecks. So, it's a.....
......lie.
Lithium batteries don't need a reason to catch fire. They just start burning .....very hot.
Porsche shipment catches fire in the Atlantic, no Australia-bound cars affected – UPDATE: Ship sinks
An estimated 2500 Volkswagen Group vehicles are adrift and ablaze in the middle of the world's second largest ocean.
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How many times have we seen that same tanker posted by EV denialist cult?
Lithium batteries do need a reason to catch fire and they do it rarely.
Still not a peep about billionaires plundering Greenland for a way to make more billions on batteries. @plasticbertrand @StuAzole where did you guys go?
Squidley posted a link for us. Let's read it:Again arguing actual statistics with anecdotal evidence.
How many times have we seen that same tanker posted by EV denialist cult?
Lithium batteries do need a reason to catch fire and they do it rarely.
We should get a Koch brother or Peter Thiel or some other imbecile to fund a Waterworld reboot where the smokers are on THIS vessel instead of the Exxon Valdez.Squidley's linked article said:
Costner's character can be trans, we still want the hot broad, slap a Henna tattoo on Greta's back for the map to DryWokeLand, and Joe Rogan can be The Deacon.
Right. Ships carrying only new cars catch fire all the time.
Burning Electric-Vehicle Batteries Complicate Efforts to Fight Fire on Drifting Ship in Atlantic Ocean
The Felicity Ace merchant ship was carrying around 4,000 cars from Germany to the U.S., including Porsche sports cars and super-luxury Bentleys, when it caught fire in the Atlantic Ocean.
www.wsj.com
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The large number of electric vehicles on board a ship that is drifting ablaze in the Atlantic Ocean is complicating efforts to extinguish the fire, the Dutch experts contracted to salvage the vessel said Sunday.
It is unclear whether the blaze was caused by the electric cars, whose lithium-ion batteries have been known to catch fire, but the presence of burning batteries on board means SMIT Salvage, the company contracted to rescue the ship, is facing fire that spreads fast and cannot be fought with water alone, the company’s owners said.
“The cars are electric and part of the fire is the batteries that are still burning,” said a spokesman for Royal Boskalis Westminster NV, which owns SMIT Salvage and the company that freed the ship Ever Given after it became stranded in the Suez Canal last year.....
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I've never said LET TEH FREE MARKUT DICIDE what happens to the environment.
That all your ilk.
Gubmint regulayshn bad
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Oh, so you get a subsidized electric vehicle which I helped pay for, and THEN you get to charge it with chargers which I get to pay for too. It must be nice being dictator.
Xcel wants to increase your electric bill to install electric vehicle chargers
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Minnesota: On August 2, 2022, Xcel Energy submitted its plan to spend more than $300 million on building 730 electric vehicle (EV) charging stations and increasing the use of electric school buses to the Public Utilities Commission (PUC).
The proposal would force Minnesota families and businesses to pay higher electricity prices to finance the construction and operation of the EV chargers, plus a 10 percent government-approved profit for Xcel Energy if the PUC gives Xcel its blessing.
Goals are not mandates
The point of a monopoly electric utility is to provide reliable, affordable electricity to the customers who are forced to buy their power from the company. The point of a monopoly electric utility is not to enforce or enable state targets.....
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Oh, so you get a subsidized electric vehicle which I helped pay for, and THEN you get to charge it with chargers which I get to pay for too. It must be nice being dictator.
Xcel wants to increase your electric bill to install electric vehicle chargers
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Minnesota: On August 2, 2022, Xcel Energy submitted its plan to spend more than $300 million on building 730 electric vehicle (EV) charging stations and increasing the use of electric school buses to the Public Utilities Commission (PUC).
The proposal would force Minnesota families and businesses to pay higher electricity prices to finance the construction and operation of the EV chargers, plus a 10 percent government-approved profit for Xcel Energy if the PUC gives Xcel its blessing.
Goals are not mandates
The point of a monopoly electric utility is to provide reliable, affordable electricity to the customers who are forced to buy their power from the company. The point of a monopoly electric utility is not to enforce or enable state targets.....
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