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Not a peep about billionaires plundering Greenland for a way to make more billions on batteries.
Denmark settled Greenland and gave them autonomous rule for the most part so don't they have the final say about what goes on there? Would they be better to pay than the Saudis for "energy"? Not stocked on strip mining but not stocked on paying House of Saud more
 

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I'm neutral on the whole EV issue. All tech has pluses and minuses. The company I work for makes specialty pumps and the EV battery market is a good one for us. So is oil & gas.... The main issue with batteries, wind turbine blades and solar panels is what to do with them once their usable life has expired. We currently recycle almost every component of an ICEV. You cannot say that about EVs, turbine blades and solar panels yet.
Recycling the anode and cathode material in EV batteries is a challenge and the battery manufacturers are not having an easy time finding an economical way to do it. At the moment, there is no economical way to recycle these spent materials so they wind up in a landfill. How many years will it take before we can divert this waste? What is the ramifications of burying these spent materials?
Regardless, the market is shifting and EVs will be the norm in just a few years.
The pumps below are 3 of 20 heading to a battery manufacturing facility to pump a lithium anode slurry. High viscosity and not too friendly.....

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I'm neutral on the whole EV issue. All tech has pluses and minuses. The company I work for makes specialty pumps and the EV battery market is a good one for us. So is oil & gas.... The main issue with batteries, wind turbine blades and solar panels is what to do with them once their usable life has expired. We currently recycle almost every component of an ICEV. You cannot say that about EVs, turbine blades and solar panels yet.
Recycling the anode and cathode material in EV batteries is a challenge and the battery manufacturers are not having an easy time finding an economical way to do it. At the moment, there is no economical way to recycle these spent materials so they wind up in a landfill. How many years will it take before we can divert this waste? What is the ramifications of burying these spent materials?
Regardless, the market is shifting and EVs will be the norm in just a few years.
The pumps below are 3 of 20 heading to a battery manufacturing facility to pump a lithium anode slurry. High viscosity and not too friendly.....

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why the dampeners on in/outlets on the peristaltic? why not a PTFE product contact surface instead of 304/316 (electropolished, 20RA)?
 

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see what woke does, it kills your all EV dream. can't believe they forget to check with the indigenous folk!
The EV thing is not going to happen. Not only do we not have the grid power to charge them but all of the issues npsp mentioned and the SWaP is still awful. We need battery energy density to increase by an order of 5-10, charge time to decrease by roughly 10x, and battery life to roughly double.

None of the engineering realities matter to the retards in charge. Buckle up.
 

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The EV thing is not going to happen. Not only do we not have the grid power to charge them but all of the issues npsp mentioned and the SWaP is still awful. We need battery energy density to increase by an order of 5-10, charge time to decrease by roughly 10x, and battery life to roughly double.

None of the engineering realities matter to the retards in charge. Buckle up.
Lol. You better let the car manufacturers know!
 
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why the dampeners on in/outlets on the peristaltic? why not a PTFE product contact surface instead of 304/316 (electropolished, 20RA)?
The dampener on the suction side is an inlet stabilizer. They are pumping fairly viscus slurries (4,500 cP - 6500 cP) against a backpressure of 130 psi. The inlet stabilizer improves the suction into the pump(decreases acceleration head loss) improving hose life and performance. The dampener on the outlet is for pulsation dampening to smooth the flow of the slurry exiting the pump reducing strain on the process piping and providing a smoother delivery of product at the receiving end.
All wetted surfaces but the hose (natural isoprene rubber) are 316 SS. While I love PTFE it is not necessary for this application and would be a needless cost adder.
The cool feature of this pump is the retractable roller. This allows for CIP without having to disassemble pump to pull a roller (or shoe). I believe we are the only one to offer this feature.
 

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The EV thing is not going to happen. Not only do we not have the grid power to charge them but all of the issues npsp mentioned and the SWaP is still awful. We need battery energy density to increase by an order of 5-10, charge time to decrease by roughly 10x, and battery life to roughly double.

None of the engineering realities matter to the retards in charge. Buckle up.
It's going to happen. It will take longer than what the mandates dictate but it is going to happen. Too many big name auto makers have invested too much in to the tech that it is inevitable.
 
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The dampener on the suction side is an inlet stabilizer. They are pumping fairly viscus slurries (4,500 cP - 6500 cP) against a backpressure of 130 psi. The inlet stabilizer improves the suction into the pump(decreases acceleration head loss) improving hose life and performance. The dampener on the outlet is for pulsation dampening to smooth the flow of the slurry exiting the pump reducing strain on the process piping and providing a smoother delivery of product at the receiving end.
All wetted surfaces but the hose (natural isoprene rubber) are 316 SS. While I love PTFE it is not necessary for this application and would be a needless cost adder.
The cool feature of this pump is the retractable roller. This allows for CIP without having to disassemble pump to pull a roller (or shoe). I believe we are the only one to offer this feature.
got it. Just seeing 2 rollers instead of 3 or 4. Non-newtonian?

it’s been awhile but remember there’s a few ph precipitation steps and didn’t know if stainless would cut it for product contact

I’m used to <60-80cP and <50 psi. Aqueous l, high value biologics. fully disposable. No cip/sip.
 

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It's going to happen. It will take longer than what the mandates dictate but it is going to happen. Too many big name auto makers have invested too much in to the tech that it is inevitable.
Government won’t roll back on this
 

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Government won’t roll back on this
Not in the short term, but how many reactors are they building? How are they funding and enabling new battery technologies? If anything, they're in the way:
It's going to happen. It will take longer than what the mandates dictate but it is going to happen. Too many big name auto makers have invested too much in to the tech that it is inevitable.
We agree they'll try. The engineering challenges are not close to being solved and neither are the grid and power problems. Break out your log Y axis:
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See that two order of magnitude difference?
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Hydrogen is also a pipe dream. You need nuke to crack the water molecules and hydrogen gas leaks easily due to its small size. Feel free to drive around on high pressure hydrogen like the Hindenburg.
 
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