Can we talk about the keto diet?

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

You can get better at burning fat for energy.

You have to deprive it of it's other source.

Some people do better on carbs.

If you do better on fat you think everyone should do it.

The key is to try and see.

This.

And it’s hilarious to listen to a person who’s never competed in any sort of endurance race tell me about how I should eat to optimize my endurance performance.

I figured what works best for me through years of experience and experimentation.

 

[Leaverite]

my french neighbors eat this way...

I said, "you guys are ketogenic?"

they said, "no. we're just french"

(she is gluten intolerant, so it's basically all protein, cheese, veggies.)

it's an easy diet, especially if you do your own cooking.

I thought French people normally eat a ton of cheeses, cream sauces???

 

[Leaverite]

And butter. French people love butter.

 

[laidback]

Science wins....until proven wrong

 

[craigj532]

my french neighbors eat this way...

I said, "you guys are ketogenic?"

they said, "no. we're just french"

(she is gluten intolerant, so it's basically all protein, cheese, veggies.)

it's an easy diet, especially if you do your own cooking.

I thought French people normally eat a ton of cheeses, cream sauces???

And carbs. The only people who eat less keto than the French are Italians.

 

[Leaverite]

You can get better at burning fat for energy.

You have to deprive it of it's other source.

Some people do better on carbs.

If you do better on fat you think everyone should do it.

The key is to try and see.

This.

And it’s hilarious to listen to a person who’s never competed in any sort of endurance race tell me about how I should eat to optimize my endurance performance.

I figured what works best for me through years of experience and experimentation.

From what I have always been taught is that your body first burns the fuel source that is the easiest available to convert into energy. Like muscle protein. Fat is more complex so it stays till last.

 

[Autoprax]

I think it's really good to try different sh!t out.

Some people eat and never think about.

I like to try sh!t out.

I think its good to drop your body fat every once in a while too.

Just to prime the system.

When I drop my body fat it like I have to go to war.

I can't be all calm and kick back about it,

 

[Leaverite]

Do you walk around and keep that Peloton tablet with you wherever you go???

 

[Leaverite]

Bilous Idiots

 

[freeride76]

The best diet I found is tracking calories and eating lots of fruits, veggies, and protein. Stay under 2000-2500 calories per day and give yourself a cheat day once a week and you'll lose weight. Buy a 10$ kitchen scale on amazon and measure your food.

Do you even Keto bro?

No.

In all seriousness, I try to keep my carbs to under 800 Calories per day.

My diet looks like this:
Breakfast: 4 eggs and piece of toast. About 450 Calories.
Lunch: 12 oz chicken with Salad with light sprinkling of oil and vinegar dressing.
Dinner: 12 oz meat of some kind and 8 oz serving of rice or pasta.

I don't usually drink alcohol and try to avoid red meat. I don't eat dairy.

Fun guy

 

[grapedrink]

Question now is, what works better- Keto or Fat Shaming :confused2:

 

[hal9000]

It's funny how the term "fat-adapted" shows up nowhere but on all the keto websites.

LOLz at ifall for taking the dogmatic approach.

 

[Ifallalot]

Cutting complete food groups out of your diet is silly. Not all carbs are bad.

Everything in moderation.

Plus if you're into any kind of activity that remotely requires endurance, you're fuct without carbs.

Intermitent fasting, sure.

This is wrong. Its not instant but once someone is fat adapted they have just as much endurance as anyone else

Clueless.

You can pretend that your body adopted using fat as fuel but there's no going around the fact that there's nothing that body can do to turn fat or protein into energy when needed quickly, as fast as carbs.

If you are into any kind of endurance activity, you will be burning way more calories than the body can retain from consuming fat or protein prior to excercise. Plus you will feel like sh!t because body has to work hard to digest it.

Another one of your science denying opinions that you learned from Joe Rogan.

Holy sh!t how long are you going to deny it?

Becoming fat-adapted doesn't happen overnight. And you're willfully denying the evidence of people, in articles I've posted and writing on this message board that people who are fat-adapted feel like sh!t WHEN using carbs as fuel. My body feels like its working much harder to digest anything when I'm eating lots of carbs

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say that "fat-adapted" is not a real thing.

Yes, so not real

https://ultrarunning.com/features/health-and-nutrition/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
https://ehe.osu.edu/directory/?id=volek.1

SCIENCE!

 

[Ifallalot]

You can get fat adapted all you want, eating a steak before an endurance activity and not consuming carbs will fück you up. Fact.

Oh yeah? You using personal experience again?

 

[hal9000]

ifall is triggered.

 

[hal9000]

Yes, so not real

https://ultrarunning.com/features/health-and-nutrition/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
https://ehe.osu.edu/directory/?id=volek.1

SCIENCE!

Next time go to google scholar and/or pubmed and post some actual papers.

I was trained in science. A scientific claim should always be accompanied by a reference, otherwise you're either hypothesizing or just posting your opinion.

 

[hal9000]

Follow-up: I will read some of Volek's papers, but my initial reaction is that his sample sizes are a little concerning. So far, the papers I've read have samples of ~20 and consist of elite athletes.

 

[Autoprax]

You can get fat adapted all you want, eating a steak before an endurance activity and not consuming carbs will fück you up. Fact.

Oh yeah? You using personal experience again?

Some people are still not going to function as well on fat even after they fat adapt.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

You can get fat adapted all you want, eating a steak before an endurance activity and not consuming carbs will fück you up. Fact.

That’s not how it works and nobody is saying that. Typical FecalFag. Say something that nobody is saying and argue against that.

Blaming obesity on carbs is also a straw man science denying bullshit.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/overeating-sugar-and-carbs-causes-obesity-not-inactivity-you-cant-outrun-bad-diet-330342

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-causes-of-weight-gain

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/good-carbs-bad-carbs#section1

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Follow-up: I will read some of Volek's papers, but my initial reaction is that his sample sizes are a little concerning. So far, the papers I've read have samples of ~20 and consist of elite athletes.

Aren’t we talking about performance in endurance races here?