Can someone explain the “Jesus died for our sins”

[Autoprax]

I would say that gaslighting is baiting with mischarateraztion.

I think the pych people are making the quantitative distinction.

For it to be gaslighting, they thing it has to be a pattern of behavior over time.

 

[Autoprax]

No, he compared to the godless in or maybe since the 20th century compared to religious across all time
seems unbelievable

Tell caca that.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

“The intent of gaslighting really is to cause confusion and sow the seeds of doubt,” Martinez says. “It can be a very coercive and controlling tactic.”

People do that all the time here.

Trump does it all the time.

Those here who parrot trump do it too.

Maybe the trump guys here are victim of trumps gaslighting too?

Like I said, I find it odd they don't mention the framing effect

Sowing the seeds of doubt = presenting an argument.

"Cause confusion" lol - you're taking this place way too seriously.

You are literally doing exactly what they're talking about in the articles - taking normal human interactions in a debate and applying psychological terms to describe abusive relationships.

Also I like how you point the finger at people on the right as being the gaslighters.

Just stop already.

 

[mundus]

Sowing the seeds of doubt = presenting an argument.

"Cause confusion" lol - you're taking this place way too seriously.

You are literally doing exactly what they're talking about in the articles - taking normal human interactions in a debate and applying psychological terms to describe abusive relationships.

Also I like how you point the finger at people on the right as being the gaslighters.

Just stop already.

Again too many words to say "i know you are but what am I'

 

[casa_mugrienta]

For all of you that have been victimized.

"Most interactions leave you feeling small or ashamed"
"You apologize without knowing what you did wrong."
"They give you affection...then abruptly yank it away."
"You find yourself questioning your beliefs and opinions." (how awful!)

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Again too many words to say "i know you are but what am I'

Uh, no.

You are way off base.

I'm saying the term gaslighting doesn't apply here.

You should read the second article - it specifically talks about online interaction.

Anyone here could be accused of gaslighting in pretty much every post.

 

[Random Guy]

My view is we have outgrown any usefulness Religion may have had, and now we are only left with negatives. none of this means i want a war on religion, just keep it out of politics.

Define “we”
many people find a lot of comfort and purpose through religion
some people still see their church as their community

growing up going to a Catholic school, being an altar boy, having parents who volunteered for Bingo, priests having dinner at our house once in a while, it was part of our lives.

when my father was 47 he had a stroke that should’ve killed him, imho, but instead left in in really bad shape, like not walking or talking or having any control over the right side of his body until his next stroke killed him at 50.
during that time, many of the people we knew from church helped in many ways
there were tons of prayers, which may have helped someone, but also practical help

im not saying that the religion is what made people help, and only religious people help like that, but it was a community and we felt the support, and that mattered

my mother remained religious until she died
not just religious in name, but living the way jesus taught

so I don’t know we dont need religion anymore
personally, it’s not my thing, but even if I joke about it, and can be sarcastic about it, it it’s helping someone though whatever theyre struggling with, then, hey, go with it

and, no, with all the contact with priests we had, there was no molesting or hint of that going on in our parish, thank god

 

[casa_mugrienta]

^^^^^^^GASLIGHTING!!!!!

Trying to make me think I'm wrong!!!!!

 

[StuAzole]

Bringing up religion as it was in the worldview of 1000 A.D. and relating it to present is pretty dishonest.

I’ll bet we can find plenty of examples of 20th Century America fighting in the name, and with the support, of God.

 

[nimby]

God made a lot of sense a few thousand years ago, folks needing a divine power to explain a world in which sh!t like earthquakes, plagues, famines, etc just happened without any understanding of why.
In ta time of particle physics and space exploration, still need god in your life? whatever helps you get through life, won't make a difference either way when it's time to close the eyes for keeps.
Wouldn't it be nice, though, if all the so called Christians actually acted like f'n Christians? just saying

 

[mundus]

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^^^^^^^GASLIGHTING!!!!!

Trying to make me think I'm wrong!!!!!

Well you almost always are, so it is not gaslighting just reality.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I’ll bet we can find plenty of examples of 20th Century America fighting in the name, and with the support, of God.

Beware the availability cascade!

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Well you almost always are, so it is not gaslighting just reality.

Gaslighting again!

 

[mundus]

Gaslighting again!

Try again.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

 

[Autoprax]

Sowing the seeds of doubt = presenting an argument.

"Cause confusion" lol - you're taking this place way too seriously.

You are literally doing exactly what they're talking about in the articles - taking normal human interactions in a debate and applying psychological terms to describe abusive relationships.

Also I like how you point the finger at people on the right as being the gaslighters.

Just stop already.

From now on I will using "baiting with mischaracterization" to stop triggering the right wingers here.

Surely you admit that baiting with mischaracterization is the main tool of the gaslighter?

 

[Autoprax]

For all of you that have been victimized.

"Most interactions leave you feeling small or ashamed"
"You apologize without knowing what you did wrong."
"They give you affection...then abruptly yank it away."
"You find yourself questioning your beliefs and opinions." (how awful!)

In this definition the victim has to be affected?

It's the behavior of the abused that makes it gaslighting?

Someone can try to create doubt but it if doesn't 't work it's not gaslighting?

See what I am saying?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Surely you admit that baiting with mischaracterization the the main tool of the gaslighter?

No, that's not what gaslighting is about.

But I see why you think that - people have been making up their own definitions, or taking one small aspect of gaslighting and applying it as the term itself.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

In this definition the victim has to be affected?

It's the behavior of the abused that makes it gaslighting?

Someone can try to create doubt but it if doesn't 't work it's not gaslighting?

See what I am saying?

No.

I just posted it for all those have been victimized here, so they can be better prepared next time.

 

[StuAzole]

Beware the availability cascade!

Applicable how, exactly?