I made a cogent pointAn incoherent response is proportional to the incoherent reasons you posted
you dumped a pile of words on the floor that didn't amount to complete thought
you're a fkn mess
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I made a cogent pointAn incoherent response is proportional to the incoherent reasons you posted
I'm pressing the reset on this thread due to incoherence and an utter lack of cogency.
As you were, Comrades.
No you didn’tI made a cogent point
you dumped a pile of words on the floor that didn't amount to complete thought
you're a fkn mess
RighteousI'm pressing the reset on this thread due to incoherence and an utter lack of cogency.
As you were, Comrades.
First time hearing about war?Good guys Russia just attacked civilian apartment buildings, for the countless number times killing many civilians, pure scum!
As an anti Authoritarian you should be the most upset about the Russian criminal invasion, but like everything else your anti authoritarianism is a complete fraud just like all your screeching.First time hearing about war?
You're not even making sense anymore. Take a step backAs an anti Authoritarian you should be the most upset about the Russian criminal invasion, but like everything else your anti authoritarianism is a complete fraud just like all your screeching.
it would be great if you could follow a thread instead of constantly casa'ing it and showing up mid-conversation and taking a giant non sequitur sh!t on the floorNo you didn’t
You tried to say holding phony elections somehow proved Russia blew up its own pipeline
Guy unironically writes #believeWeird. Rigged elections. That would never happen in the US or US-occupied territories
also they have EVERYTHING to do with pipeline destruction
#believe
1 "Let’s say the US Navy did it."Let’s say the US Navy did it. What agency would investigate it and tell the world whodunnit? Same for the UK. Let’s say the Russians investigated and concluded the US navy did it or the Ukrainians with the help of the US Navy. Would anyone believe them?
Thus the point that the guilty parties have not been found is squid ink. We can at best look at means, motive and opportunity and apply inductive reasoning and Ockham's razor but will never receive a trustworthy investigative report from a NATO-aligned country. .
Walk us through the means, motive, and opportunity for Russia to blow up their own pipeline after they had already turned it off.1 "Let’s say the US Navy did it."
Ok, sure, for the sake of the argument being displayed.
2 What agency would investigate it and tell the world whodunnit?
At this time, Sweden and Germany are last I read. They are NATO aligned.
3 Let’s say the Russians investigated and concluded the US navy did it or the Ukrainians with the help of the US Navy. Would anyone believe them?
Ok, then it seems to stand to follow that Russia would believe their own report and those on Team Russia may choose to do same.
4 Thus the point that the guilty parties have not been found is squid ink.
Ok, can concede this point based on the above "givens".
5 We can at best look at means, motive and opportunity and apply inductive reasoning and Ockham's razor but will never receive a trustworthy investigative report from a NATO-aligned country.
Agree that conjecture buoyed up with cogent and salient facts is better at convincing others of 'who done it'. Based on the the "Let's say the US Navy did it" aspect of this reasoning of why you down voted me for posting facts, the following conclusion from the above also make sense.
But if you change the opening to "Let's say the Russian Navy did it" and just flip around the players, use the same reductive logic displayed above, then it would then equally makes sense that we (the world at large) will never receive a trustworthy investigative report from a Russian-aligned country.
Which to me, then seems to be a non-persuasive line of reasoning.
Maybe Russia blew up the bridge as well?Means: Russian (or Russian affiliated) demo teams.
Opportunity: Russian Navy in the Baltic Sea.
Motive (all conjecture at this point):
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If anyone doesn't want to follow links, and I can't blame you, perhaps simple motive for the pipeline attack is better understood by looking at recent Crimea bridge attack. I think this bridge is more useful to Russia and the Russians on Crimea than it is to Ukraine. After the bridge was attacked, Ukraine got missile attack in civilian areas. Russian retribution seems slightly more plausible than solely trying to for battlefield gains. When the pipeline was attacked, no similar Russian attack. Ergo, the appearance is that Russian strikes back when it has suffered something it doesn't want.
My conspiracy minded side of me noticed that one of the dead on the bridge was an ally of Putin (Sergei Maslov, a judge) who had (is?) overseen a case involving Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov's daughter.Maybe Russia blew up the bridge as well?
I was half joking about Russia blowing up the bridge.My conspiracy minded side of me noticed that one of the dead on the bridge was an ally of Putin (Sergei Maslov, a judge) who had (is?) overseen a case involving Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov's daughter.
Chechen kills the judge for going after the daughter, gets blame placed on Ukraine, Russia attack covers your butt, win-win!
(By the way, truck bomb not best to blow bridges unless you can get it under the deck. Bridge decks do great job resisting downward forces, so to do more damage with less, you make the force the explosion go in direction of least resistance.)
PS
All just in fun and games. I would put odds on Ukraine or Ukraine allies doing the job.