What is Meddling?

Billy Ocean

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Uberkuque said:
GromsDad said:
Uberkuque said:
So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.
A. Its nothing new.

not relevant

B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.

You don't know about that. Also, what of Putin s intentional attempt to insidiously wreck our election? Do you deny even that?

If someone shoots a bullet at you and misses, do we say aw shucks no harm no foul? No. The guy gets charged with attempted murder.

C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.
The default line for pudding-brained trump shrills.
What will your excuse for losing be in 2020?
 

Kento

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BillyOcean said:
Kento said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems don’t play sports
Yeah, the NBA and NFL are rife with Republicans.

Well, the airball league (White Man's Disease required) is probably pretty solidly Republican.

I guess Republicans probably dominate softball and lacrosse, but those are lesbian sports.
Blacks for trump
Back hair for NASCAR?
 

sirfun

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BillyOcean said:
Uberkuque said:
GromsDad said:
Uberkuque said:
So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.
A. Its nothing new.

not relevant

B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.

You don't know about that. Also, what of Putin s intentional attempt to insidiously wreck our election? Do you deny even that?

If someone shoots a bullet at you and misses, do we say aw shucks no harm no foul? No. The guy gets charged with attempted murder.

C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.
The default line for pudding-brained trump shrills.
What will your excuse for losing be in 2020?
donald du(ckhunt

grabbed more pussy votes !! )



what will yours be ?? )

:roflmao:
 

Phi1

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GromsDad said:
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
GromsDad said:
Sounds like you have some inside information. You better turn that intelligence over to the FBI, CIA, CNN, MSNBC, DNC and the rest of the alphabet soup brigade.
:foreheadslap:
 

Kento

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Phi1 said:
GromsDad said:
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
GromsDad said:
Sounds like you have some inside information. You better turn that intelligence over to the FBI, CIA, CNN, MSNBC, DNC and the rest of the alphabet soup brigade.
:foreheadslap:
Be nice. GromsDad has to take his shoes off to count past 5.
 

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GromsDad said:
Gnudz said:
GromsDad said:
Uberkuque said:
So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.
A. Its nothing new.
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.
A) The types of, and extent of, Putin's interference in the 2016 election are unprecedented.

B) While difficult to measure, the Russian intelligence operations absolutely had some sort of effect on the election. Millions of dollars aren't spent on elections because they DON'T have an effect.

C) Dishonest Republicans don't want to face the fact that their candidate may indeed have benefitted from foreign intervention. It clearly happened, but they want to shut down any investigation into it because it embarrasses them and makes them look like traitors. Every attempt to block those investigations is further proof of their traitorous intent.
A: You sure about that? How do you know? Do you have inside information?

B: If what you say is true, what remedy do you suggest to right this wrong and from preventing it in the future?

C: You're confused. Defending the government from being overthrown and undermined by you sore losers is not proof of republican traitorous intent..........[size:14pt]it is a reaction to the traitorous intent of Democrats[/size].......because sore losers.
The whole world watched on Monday while this President stood with and a murderous thug KGB dictator and sided with him rather than his own hand-picked American law enforcement officials, as well as every hard working American in those agencies who work tirelessly to keep our country safe. All of those officials, and the agencies they head, have come to the same conclusion, that Putin ordered his intelligence agencies to disrupt our election.

Wanting to find out why the President sided with Putin rather than his own hand-picked American government and officials is a completely rational response. Burying one's head in the sand to defend a reality TV star President over countless hard working Americans who've dedicated their careers to keep America safe is not only extremely cowardly, it is also dishonest and traitorous.

Also... [size:14pt]a bigger font won't make a stupid statement smarter...[/size]

[size:14pt]a bigger font won't turn a lie into the truth...[/size] ......idiot.
 

Gnudz

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Surfdog said:
Uberkuque said:
Surfdog said:
Uberkuque said:
You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.
Meddle is as Meddle does.

Meddle come, Meddle go.
... and this is where logical conversation stops. You believe trump's unfounded "deep state" shrill; it envelopes your mind. you may as well believe in faeries and that the world is flat.
So, are you saying this is something NEVER EVER covertly done before between Russia (or USSR dayz) and the USA?

Are you saying the USA has never covertly done similar tactics to other countries elections?
By this same argument, Iran would be completely justified in hacking into our nuclear infrastructure and we shouldn't investigate it if they do.

I mean hey, we did it first. No big deal, right?

Stuxnet

New Attacks Spark Concerns About Iranian Cyber Threat
 

GromsDad

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The point is that it is fully expected that foreign entities will try to hack. That's the reason countries have spies and intelligence agencies in the first place. This is nothing new. It always has been and it always will be. It is also the job of our FBI and CIA to protect our country from these very much expected covert attacks.

The real question is why did President Obama, his FBI Director James Comey and his CIA Director John Brennan fail so badly at preventing "meddling" when they were in charge leading up to the election and why are the both of them now undermining the winner of the election after they failed so miserably at their own jobs.
 

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GromsDad said:
The point is that it is fully expected that foreign entities will try to hack. That's the reason countries have spies and intelligence agencies in the first place. This is nothing new. It always has been and it always will be. It is also the job of our FBI and CIA to protect our country from these very much expected covert attacks.

The real question is why did President Obama, his FBI Director James Comey and his CIA Director John Brennan fail so badly at preventing "meddling" when they were in charge leading up to the election and why are the both of them now undermining the winner of the election after they failed so miserably at their own jobs.
Amen.
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Ok do you guys have some examples to share with us of other foreign entities successfully interfering with our elections? When successful it should be just brushed off as normalcy?
 

casa_mugrienta

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manbearpig said:
Ok do you guys have some examples to share with us of other foreign entities successfully interfering with our elections? When successful it should be just brushed off as normalcy?
Do you actually think other foreign entities don't interfere with our elections? :roflmao:

Online troll armies are part of modern life.

Israel has been doing it for a long time... others are getting in on the game as well.
 

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manbearpig said:
Ok do you guys have some examples to share with us of other foreign entities successfully interfering with our elections? When successful it should be just brushed off as normalcy?
Propaganda in the run up to an election is not interfering. Its "something," but people still made their choice by themselves

I guess "interference" and "meddling" are better words than "hacking"
 

GromsDad

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casa_mugrienta said:
manbearpig said:
Ok do you guys have some examples to share with us of other foreign entities successfully interfering with our elections? When successful it should be just brushed off as normalcy?
Do you actually think other foreign entities don't interfere with our elections? :roflmao:

Online troll armies are part of modern life.

Israel has been doing it for a long time... others are getting in on the game as well.
Manbear is making a big assumption when he tries to infer that Russia was successful in interfering with our election. He also makes a big and likely incorrect assumption that it never has happened before only since the information is not public knowledge.

Whatever meddling happened in this election and past or future elections is the stuff that is of a Top Secret nature and generally wouldn't or shouldn't be released to the general public. This is why we have an FBI and a CIA. it seems like the media, the democrats and people inside the FBI and CIA are willing to burn everything down and discredit themselves over losing this election.
 

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The whole assumption through this entire thing has been political campaigns don't communicate with representatives from foreign governments and that foreign governments do not attempt to affect election outcomes.

 

GromsDad

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Let me also add that if the Democrats and the media cared even the slightest bit about our country they would unite around this president rather than selfishly work to undermine and overthrow him. If you believe in Russia Meddling the Democrats are doing everything the Russians could ever possibly dream of. There are times when petty partisanship should be put aside in our common National Interest and if the Democrats and the media had half a brain this would be one of those times.