What is Meddling?

[Billy Ocean]

Face it, democrats are pre-ordained to win every election. It is only meddling of one sort or another that prevents them from winning. Its an outrage I tell ya.

What you’ve written is very close to being 100% factual. The “pre-ordained” part doesn’t make any sense, but There is indeed a lot of meddling, in the form of voting suppression, that favors Republicans. This is a fact.

Cool let’s skip elections

You’re a straight up dipshit

Did i offend thy Puritan God?

 

[kidfury]

Face it, democrats are pre-ordained to win every election. It is only meddling of one sort or another that prevents them from winning. Its an outrage I tell ya.

What you’ve written is very close to being 100% factual. The “pre-ordained” part doesn’t make any sense, but There is indeed a lot of meddling, in the form of voting suppression, that favors Republicans. This is a fact.

Cool let’s skip elections

You’re a straight up dipshit

Did i offend thy Puritan God?

you continually write things that don’t make any sense.

 

[Surfdog]

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/ev8zbz/trumps-face-is-the-first-google-image-search-result-for-idiot

Trump’s face is the first Google image search result for “idiot”

Google the word “idiot.”

The first image that pops up is a picture of President Donald Trump. So is the second. And the third. And the fourth. Even as you continue to scroll down the page, Trump’s face appears with unusual regularity.

VICE.

Einstein and De Niro were in the top selections too.

It helps when you have most MSMsters or bloggers attach "idiot" to a story's pic.

No shortage of that in the left dominated media outlets, by any means.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm sure Obama's mug was up in the top pics after plenty of his miscues back in the 2008-2016 dayz.

 

[Mike_Jones]

1) Russian intelligence agencies, under Putin's orders, hacked into a political party's computers and stole emails and information.

2) Those Russian agencies then slowly released the most embarrassing information slowly over weeks (beginning on the day of the Access Hollywood tape's release), thus keeping "Hillary's E-mails" in the news daily.

3) Those same Russian agencies also spent millions of dollars to spread disinformation and propaganda on social media.

4) Trump won the electoral college by only 80,000 votes in three states.

5) In order to be successful, Putin's efforts would only need to change a few minds while discouraging others against even bothering to vote.

6) There are numerous known examples where members of Trump's campaign attempted to get damaging info on Clinton directly from Russian sources, most notably at the Trump Tower meeting attended by Don Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. The Russians were more than willing to meet with any of them.

All of that counts as meddling.

However unmeasurable it may be, Putin's meddling had some effect on the outcome of the election. Granted, it was probably Comey's announcements regarding Clinton's emails that swung the most voters against Hillary, but many voters conflated the two issues and believed, wrongly, that the emails released by Wikipedia were the same ones being investigated by the FBI. The two issues propelled each other in a way by keeping Hillary's emails in the nightly news, increasing the effect each would have otherwise had on the electorate.

I guess those who don't care about any of the above need to ask themselves: How much of our country's sovereignty are you willing to cede to Vladimir Putin? 0.2%, which is the margin by which Trump won Michigan? 0.7%, the margin by which he won Pennsylvania? 0.8%, as in Wisconsin? And what If Putin decides to support the socialist in the next election, then what percentage of the vote are you willing to cede?

If a foreign dictator's efforts swung the votes of 2 people out of a thousand in Michigan, I'd say that's a problem that needs fixing, no?

The only American in this whole sordid mess who did anything, you know .....ILLEGAL .....is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As Obama's Secretary of State Hillary started using a new personal Email server. Hillary wanted to sell off 20% of Americsan uranium assets to Uranium One, a Russian-owned company. She started using this server to ensure the required Obama administration signatories that their communications with Hillary could not be traced. Hillary also used the personal server for official classified State Department communications.

That is ....ILLEGAL.

With the 2016 presidential election approaching some Russians hacked into Hillary's persoonal server. They started using the information. HellOoooo....... That's why doing what Hillary did is ILLEGAL.

Donald Trump got wind that Russia might provide information about Hillary's ILLEGAL activities. A couple of Trump's people met brefly with Russian officials to excplore the posibilities.

It turns out that Russia was offering no such deal.

Did Russians use Hillary's communications against her in the election? Why the fck should anyone care? If it happened then Hillary reaped what Hillary sewed.

Story over.
.

Thank you for proving my point.

A lot of really misinformed people think it was Clinton's personal server that was hacked. It was not. Hillary's personal server was never hacked into even though Trump asked the Russian intelligence agencies to try and do so. Clinton's server appears to be one of the few used by Democrats that wasn't hacked.

Those misinformed voters conflated Clinton's use of a personal server with the embarrassing emails stolen from the DNC, John Podesta, and other Democratic Party officials. They are two separate issues. The slow leakage of those emails combined with Comey's repeated public announcements, kept the word "emails" in the news and many uninformed voters conflated the two issues.

Americans who side with Putin's use of his intelligence agencies to weaponize information stolen from their fellow Americans are traitors. Plain and simple. They've chosen to support a murderous KGB dictator over their own fellow Americans. That's what traitors do.

As for all your crazy Clinton conspiracy theories, which have nothing to do with the Trump/Russia investigation, they are now making you some very stylish hats:

.....says the guy who believes his presidential candidate lost the election because "the Russians" got inside everybody's head and brainwashed them.


.

 

[Gnudz]

 

[GDaddy]

lulz

 

[Uberkuque]

You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.

 

[Gnudz]

1) Russian intelligence agencies, under Putin's orders, hacked into a political party's computers and stole emails and information.

2) Those Russian agencies then slowly released the most embarrassing information slowly over weeks (beginning on the day of the Access Hollywood tape's release), thus keeping "Hillary's E-mails" in the news daily.

3) Those same Russian agencies also spent millions of dollars to spread disinformation and propaganda on social media.

4) Trump won the electoral college by only 80,000 votes in three states.

5) In order to be successful, Putin's efforts would only need to change a few minds while discouraging others against even bothering to vote.

6) There are numerous known examples where members of Trump's campaign attempted to get damaging info on Clinton directly from Russian sources, most notably at the Trump Tower meeting attended by Don Jr., Kushner, and Manafort. The Russians were more than willing to meet with any of them.

All of that counts as meddling.

However unmeasurable it may be, Putin's meddling had some effect on the outcome of the election. Granted, it was probably Comey's announcements regarding Clinton's emails that swung the most voters against Hillary, but many voters conflated the two issues and believed, wrongly, that the emails released by Wikipedia were the same ones being investigated by the FBI. The two issues propelled each other in a way by keeping Hillary's emails in the nightly news, increasing the effect each would have otherwise had on the electorate.

I guess those who don't care about any of the above need to ask themselves: How much of our country's sovereignty are you willing to cede to Vladimir Putin? 0.2%, which is the margin by which Trump won Michigan? 0.7%, the margin by which he won Pennsylvania? 0.8%, as in Wisconsin? And what If Putin decides to support the socialist in the next election, then what percentage of the vote are you willing to cede?

If a foreign dictator's efforts swung the votes of 2 people out of a thousand in Michigan, I'd say that's a problem that needs fixing, no?

The only American in this whole sordid mess who did anything, you know .....ILLEGAL .....is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As Obama's Secretary of State Hillary started using a new personal Email server. Hillary wanted to sell off 20% of Americsan uranium assets to Uranium One, a Russian-owned company. She started using this server to ensure the required Obama administration signatories that their communications with Hillary could not be traced. Hillary also used the personal server for official classified State Department communications.

That is ....ILLEGAL.

With the 2016 presidential election approaching some Russians hacked into Hillary's persoonal server. They started using the information. HellOoooo....... That's why doing what Hillary did is ILLEGAL.

Donald Trump got wind that Russia might provide information about Hillary's ILLEGAL activities. A couple of Trump's people met brefly with Russian officials to excplore the posibilities.

It turns out that Russia was offering no such deal.

Did Russians use Hillary's communications against her in the election? Why the fck should anyone care? If it happened then Hillary reaped what Hillary sewed.

Story over.
.

Thank you for proving my point.

A lot of really misinformed people think it was Clinton's personal server that was hacked. It was not. Hillary's personal server was never hacked into even though Trump asked the Russian intelligence agencies to try and do so. Clinton's server appears to be one of the few used by Democrats that wasn't hacked.

Those misinformed voters conflated Clinton's use of a personal server with the embarrassing emails stolen from the DNC, John Podesta, and other Democratic Party officials. They are two separate issues. The slow leakage of those emails combined with Comey's repeated public announcements, kept the word "emails" in the news and many uninformed voters conflated the two issues.

Americans who side with Putin's use of his intelligence agencies to weaponize information stolen from their fellow Americans are traitors. Plain and simple. They've chosen to support a murderous KGB dictator over their own fellow Americans. That's what traitors do.

As for all your crazy Clinton conspiracy theories, which have nothing to do with the Trump/Russia investigation, they are now making you some very stylish hats:

.....says the guy who believes his presidential candidate lost the election because "the Russians" got inside everybody's head and brainwashed them.


.

I never said that. You are being dishonest. Typical.

 

[Surfdog]

You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.

Meddle is as Meddle does.

Meddle come, Meddle go.

 

[Uberkuque]

You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.

Meddle is as Meddle does.

Meddle come, Meddle go.

... and this is where logical conversation stops. You believe trump's unfounded "deep state" shrill; it envelopes your mind. you may as well believe in faeries and that the world is flat.

 

[Surfdog]

You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.

Meddle is as Meddle does.

Meddle come, Meddle go.

... and this is where logical conversation stops. You believe trump's unfounded "deep state" shrill; it envelopes your mind. you may as well believe in faeries and that the world is flat.

So, are you saying this is something NEVER EVER covertly done before between Russia (or USSR dayz) and the USA?

Are you saying the USA has never covertly done similar tactics to other countries elections?

 

[Uberkuque]

So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.

 

[Surfdog]

So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.

Not excusing by any stretch. But saying it's nothing new. Just that they're now using social media and the internet as a portal for it.

 

[manbearpig]

No one claimed it was a new thing, or that it had not happened before. how many times are you knuckleheads going to repeat that irrelevant fact?

 

[GromsDad]

So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.

A. Its nothing new.
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.

 

[manbearpig]

you have mastered the art of impunity

 

[kidfury]

So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.

A. Its nothing new.
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.

So, election interference, which is not new, apparently persists because it is completely ineffective. Interesting.

 

[afoaf]

It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.

I love it when people speak in absolutes...

it's so *obvious*!

 

[$kully]

So your response to russian meddling is "aw well shucks man we asked for it"?

To answer your question im not aware of any meddling between usa/russia prior to the 2016 election. as for installing government in other, smaller states, yes I'm aware the CIA etc has been involved in that.

But, that doesnt excuse russian meddling in this one.

A. Its nothing new.
B. It had no, none, zip, zero, nada effect on the outcome of the election.
C. Its nothing more than an excuse for the sore losers and a way for them to undermine or overthrow the results of the election they lost.

A. Only it is. This is the first time social media was utilized in such a manner. Social media has come a long way since the last election.
B. Prove it.
C. Like birtherism?

 

[Ifallalot]

You value elections so much yet you're perfectly cool with Putin's meddling in ours.