Salt water brain damaged surfers are why actual shapers don't post much here
(sans Greg,not sure why he hasn't given up)
(sans Greg,not sure why he hasn't given up)
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Tomo MPH
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the last few pages of this thread dissolved part of my brain.
exactly. Because the overall design of each aircraft is completely different.
I admit using aircraft as examples for surfboard design is apples to oranges. Much higher velocities, and pressure than a surfboard planing at 25mph(?) but that’s referencing back to Tomo’s original message
if you take two identical surfboards, say two diamond tails, and I cut a 1” flat out of the center of one, do you really think it would dramatically change the performance? Maybe at the absolute highest level of athletic ability, in the most critical situation, maybe. More likely, said athlete would be using the rail more than a mere mortal and that tiny change would be overcome.
and do you and reforest agree that all those corners release water instead of creating hold? If not, then I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree
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Bear in mind, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t design to that standard, just talking design and practical application
this all started because I said that there’s only a few types of tails, and that a double diamond tail is essentially a swallow tail, and that all those wings are for release, not hold.
then it went off the deep end…
round, pin, square, swallow, diamond. That’s it
this all started because I said that there’s only a few types of tails, and that a double diamond tail is essentially a swallow tail, and that all those wings are for release, not hold.
then it went off the deep end…
round, pin, square, swallow, diamond. That’s it
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icing on cake between these? Absolutely. Both are sweet, and satisfying. Are they worlds apart? Not so much.
does the outline, rocker and foil make more or less of a difference?
hopefully that clears up my intent of explaining
more icing. Delicious, adds flavor, but does your overall design and fin set make more difference?
I think I understand the concept of greg's tail for a small wave board.
Question for @griffinsurfboard what is the difference between a straight cut swallow and one with a curve?
Question for @griffinsurfboard what is the difference between a straight cut swallow and one with a curve?
Maybe we should start (another) thread about tails and let this get back to Tomo?
I think I derailed this pretty well
To be clear, I don’t have a problem with Tomo, just wanted to talk design.
I think I derailed this pretty well
To be clear, I don’t have a problem with Tomo, just wanted to talk design.
how does one "claw" water?
sharp = release
sharp = release
I don’t know. I have a cymatic and was under the impression that the bat tail ‘clawed‘ water. That kinda makes sense, I guess, because it’s literally kind of like a claw, and that when pivoting the points would cause friction that a round tail would not.
I would tend to agree that wings, being on the rails, release water.
do it! I think like the fin thread, it will have legs.
tail block thickness, for example, would also be fun to break down and discuss.
At around 12" tip to tip the flat between the tips planes making a smooth transition from tip to tip , the area loss of a deep swallow at that width really plants the tail in the water riding a bit flatter
cool, I gathered that on my own and was correct.
What I'm referring to is on a straight swallow, the difference between curving the inner edges vs a straight cut
What I'm referring to is on a straight swallow, the difference between curving the inner edges vs a straight cut
They create load on the surface below them , which you feel = and a sensation of speed
Kind of a scraping effect , scratching on the face and surface of the wave
Curved swallow reduces the area loss , more gradual from the tips to the "Crack" ;-) , straight swallow maximizes it
Curved swallow retains more area at the tips and will plane more