The House votes on TrumpCare today....What do you like about it, what do you dislike?

[studog]

So, nobody is worried that this passed without a CBO analysis and without public hearings? Aren't the reps supposed to at least act as if they're listening to their constituents?

CBO report on this version is scheduled to be released before the Senate starts debating it.

 

[VonMeister]

So, nobody is worried that this passed without a CBO analysis and without public hearings? Aren't the reps supposed to at least act as if they're listening to their constituents?

If we do a search will we find similar outrage 8 years ago when congress wasn't listening to their constituents?

 

[hal9000]

So, nobody is worried that this passed without a CBO analysis and without public hearings? Aren't the reps supposed to at least act as if they're listening to their constituents?

If we do a search will we find similar outrage 8 years ago when congress wasn't listening to their constituents?

By the time the Senate gets done reworking the bill, it'll be Obamacare-lite.

 

[Gnudz]

The whole poison pill thing of "giving" people an unearned entitlement under the assumption that they'll be pissed if/when it gets withdrawn is about as immoral as it gets.

There is absolutely nothing immoral about a wealthy country taking care of it's neediest citizens. Any immorality lies in doing the opposite.

We live in the wealthiest country in the world at arguably it's wealthiest point in history, to disregard the health of our poorest citizens in order to further reduce the tax burden of the ever richer 1% of Americans is way beyond immoral. It is repulsive to anyone with any real-world sense of fairness and justice.

 

[GDaddy]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

 

[Gnudz]

Another Trump victory!!

So far, his administration takes one liberal step back, and two conservative steps forward!!

And....we still have 3.5 years to go!!

MAGA is becoming reality.

Not yet. There are a few more steps. The House vote on Trumpcare was just step one.

Step Two: The Senate has to vote on the bill which it doesn't look like they're willing to do as it is currently written. The Senate are preferring to draft their own bill, but if they do vote on this bill there will be changes made to it.

Step Three: The bill has to go to committee where the differences between the house and senate versions of the bill have to be reconciled.

Step Four: The House has to vote again on the bill without making any changes.

Step Five: The Senate has to vote again on the bill without making any changes.

Yesterday's rose garden photo-op was a pep rally rather than a victory lap. They've still got an uphill battle and they needed to rally the troops. Senate Republicans didn't seem too excited about the house bill, and a few have said they're not even going to vote on it. Back to square one?

 

[studog]

Another Trump victory!!

So far, his administration takes one liberal step back, and two conservative steps forward!!

And....we still have 3.5 years to go!!

MAGA is becoming reality.

Not yet. There are a few more steps. The House vote on Trumpcare was just step one.

Step Two: The Senate has to vote on the bill which it doesn't look like they're willing to do as it is currently written. The Senate are preferring to draft their own bill, but if they do vote on this bill there will be changes made to it.

Step Three: The bill has to go to committee where the differences between the house and senate versions of the bill have to be reconciled.

Step Four: The House has to vote again on the bill without making any changes.

Step Five: The Senate has to vote again on the bill without making any changes.

Yesterday's rose garden photo-op was a pep rally rather than a victory lap. They've still got an uphill battle and they needed to rally the troops. Senate Republicans didn't seem too excited about the house bill, and a few have said they're not even going to vote on it. Back to square one?

So Cheeto is dumber than a 5 year old when it comes to government

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0[/video]

 

[Gnudz]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

I merely took your morality play about "entitlements" and placed it on it's head. Are Mitt Romney and Donald Trump "entitled" to pay lower tax rates than the rest of us. Are multi-billion-dollar corporations "entitled" to set up offshore holding companies to shelter their income?

I don't know if you are referring to the scheme where subsidies are given to insurance companies to keep premiums down under Obamacare, or the scheme where much less in subsidies is given to citizens looking to purchase healthcare under Trumpcare, but it doesn't really matter. Neither of those solve the problem of middle class not being able to afford decent healthcare, but I know for a fact the $600Billion to the richest 1% doesn't help either.

Of course the rich don't fret about their healthcare, but they care even less about your health costs, or Gromsdad's, or mine. Show me the bleeding heart of a corporation. They sure do love their tax cuts though, and that's what Trumpcare is.

 

[FecalFace]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

Vile and dumb, your usual 1-2 combo.

Everybody who gets cancer, major surgery or a medical emergency gets "unearned entitlement", whether they have insurance or not.

Do you want to let homes of poor people burn to the ground in the case of fire?

When you were playing a cop, did you refuse to help people who can't afford to pay taxes?


You want to live in a civilized society but you behave like a hostile, asocial fucktard.

If you don't want to live with others, go live off the grid, stich your own wounds and use magic to cure cancer since you are delusional enough to think that you are entirely self sufficient.

 

[VonMeister]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

Vile and dumb, your usual 1-2 combo.

Everybody who gets cancer, major surgery or a medical emergency gets "unearned entitlement", whether they have insurance or not.

Do you want to let homes of poor people burn to the ground in the case of fire?

When you were playing a cop, did you refuse to help people who can't afford to pay taxes?


You want to live in a civilized society but you behave like a hostile, asocial fucktard.

If you don't want to live with others, go live off the grid, stich your own wounds and use magic to cure cancer since you are delusional enough to think that you are entirely self sufficient.

You've had 7 years to address your pre-existing condition, yet you've done nothing. Use it or lose it fuckface.

 

[Autoprax]

I'm going outside to dead lift right now. . .

It's going to rain I think.

 

[hal9000]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

Vile and dumb, your usual 1-2 combo.

Everybody who gets cancer, major surgery or a medical emergency gets "unearned entitlement", whether they have insurance or not.

Do you want to let homes of poor people burn to the ground in the case of fire?

When you were playing a cop, did you refuse to help people who can't afford to pay taxes?


You want to live in a civilized society but you behave like a hostile, asocial fucktard.

If you don't want to live with others, go live off the grid, stich your own wounds and use magic to cure cancer since you are delusional enough to think that you are entirely self sufficient.

You've had 7 years to address your pre-existing condition, yet you've done nothing. Use it or lose it fuckface.

Not everyone can address or cure an pre-existing condition. My wife has a clotting disorder, called anti-phospholipid syndrome. It can't be cured, only managed with anticoagulation therapy.

 

[FecalFace]

The rich DGAF about their health care costs. The people the subsidy scheme hurts the most are the people who aren't rich but also don't qualify for the subsidy - aka the middle.

But fck them, right?

Vile and dumb, your usual 1-2 combo.

Everybody who gets cancer, major surgery or a medical emergency gets "unearned entitlement", whether they have insurance or not.

Do you want to let homes of poor people burn to the ground in the case of fire?

When you were playing a cop, did you refuse to help people who can't afford to pay taxes?


You want to live in a civilized society but you behave like a hostile, asocial fucktard.

If you don't want to live with others, go live off the grid, stich your own wounds and use magic to cure cancer since you are delusional enough to think that you are entirely self sufficient.

You've had 7 years to address your pre-existing condition, yet you've done nothing. Use it or lose it fuckface.

Not everyone can address or cure an pre-existing condition. My wife has a clotting disorder, called anti-phospholipid syndrome. It can't be cured, only managed with anticoagulation therapy.

When Dougie gets ass cancer from all the steroids he's taking, maybe he'll figure out how it works.

Until then, weeeeee, let's laugh at people who suffer.

 

[What_it_Do_Baybeeee]

The issues with the healthcare system in the United States goes beyond political ideology. If we weren't so occupied with "winning", that is beating down the otherside, then maybe we could overhaul the system for good. Not an easy task considering all the vested interest in it from insurance companies, politicians, doctors, consumers, etc.

The healthcare system in the United States doesn't function like other consumer goods. It occupies a strange complicated place.

How to fix it:

1. Remove insurance companies from most healthcare decisions. Health insurance should be used in the case of catastrophic emergency. Do you use your auto insurance to go to the mechanic? No, you pay for it out of pocket. Why do insurance companies rule every facet of healthcare? Isn't it completely dumb that if I go to the doctor, I use insurance for routine checkup?

2. Create a national healthcare system that insures everybody against catastrophic emergencies. We shouldn't have some bloated government entity that reigns over healthcare. That won't solve our problems.

3. Allow actual transparency of actual costs and fundamental economic principles to operate. The healthcare system in the United States isn't free market. I can't respond to price increase (in healthcare lingo "Costs") or shitty service by going to another doctor. We have know idea what something actually costs. With any other business or service, this is what exists.

To be fair, Obamacare is sh!t, despite its best intentions. It just perpetuates the idiotic system that has remained in place since the early part of the 20th century. While I strongly disagree with what the Republicans are doing, mainly from the perspective that they don't care about what people need healthcare wise, maybe it will help actually create an overhauled system.

 

[hal9000]

It doesn't matter what's in the bill now, the thing is going to get gutted in the senate.

As I said earlier, it's just going to be ObamaCare light. Same sh!t, different packaging.

 

[$kully]

It doesn't matter what's in the bill now, the thing is going to get gutted in the senate.

As I said earlier, it's just going to be ObamaCare light. Same sh!t, different packaging.

I've been saying that since the first time they failed. They'll tweak a handful of things, rebrand it and take credit for it. In the end it'll still be flawed and probably no better. But the black muslim from kenya will no longer be attached to it and that's the real victory that they're looking for.

 

[hal9000]

Someone explain to me how insurance companies' profits increased by 2.5X but somehow the insurance companies can't afford to participate in the ACA.

 

[$kully]

Someone explain to me how insurance companies' profits increased by 2.5X but somehow the insurance companies can't afford to participate in the ACA.

2.5x isn't enough. Greed is good.

 

[hal9000]

Someone explain to me how insurance companies' profits increased by 2.5X but somehow the insurance companies can't afford to participate in the ACA.

Obamacare was written by insurance company insiders. Do you think it would benefit the people?

This is the hook, line, and sinker ploy of the democratic party. Help a few poor while the rich get richer and benefit the most.

So who wrote the AHCA?

According to Steve Bannon:

Publicly, Bannon has been working to help the bill pass. But privately he’s talked it down in recent days. According to a source close to the White House, Bannon said that he’s unhappy with the Ryan bill because it “doesn’t drive down costs” and was “written by the insurance industry.” While the bill strips away many of Obamacare’s provisions, it does not go as far as Bannon would wish to “deconstruct the administrative state” in the realm of health care. Furthermore, Bannon has been distancing himself from the bill to insulate himself from political fallout of it failing. He’s told people that Trump economic adviser Gary Cohn — a West Wing rival — has run point on it. (Bannon did not respond to a request for comment.)

Bannon is setting the stage for the inevitable failure of this bill. When it fails he can blame Paul Ryan and still make it look like Trump is keeping a campaign promise.

 

[FecalFace]

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