This is simply wrong. There is no clear pattern of red vs blue states for Covid deaths. If you go down the list it flips back and forth between red and blue.
My guess is that age and obesity were far more correlated.
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My guess is that age and obesity were far more correlated.
grapedrink says I know more people who got Covid after being vaccinated than before.
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wow - folks actually got Covid after getting the vaccine while the virus was still peaking it's spread rate?
And you somehow didn't get the news the vaccine was never intended or claimed to prevent Covid, it was to help fight the infection once contracted?
Fox news left those basic facts out?
Look up 'dumb as a stump' in the encylopedia - you'll find your pic next to it.
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wow - folks actually got Covid after getting the vaccine while the virus was still peaking it's spread rate?
And you somehow didn't get the news the vaccine was never intended or claimed to prevent Covid, it was to help fight the infection once contracted?
Fox news left those basic facts out?
Look up 'dumb as a stump' in the encylopedia - you'll find your pic next to it.
the vaccines were developed and original messaging came out of the Trump administration
your bias is glaring
you just keep repeating the same tropes over and over and over again...aren't accountable and are not supposed to be listened to?Are they not elected and/or appointed leaders? Again- we were told to listen to Fauci and trust The ScienceⓇ. Anyone who questioned him was attacked, and even Fauci himself said that going against him was going against science.
I'm not going to keep repeating my points; you empirically do not absorb information and internalize it. you seem hellbent on making the same rants over and over again even after it's been pointed out to you how wrong and/or illogical they are.
they did give the best information they had at the time, tempered (stated for the one fkn thousandth motherfkn time) by the fact that they are delivering a message that is consumable for the lowest common denominator and is most effective at getting us to the point WE ALL DESIRED which was an elimination of the public health measures.
ho lee phuc!
I can't believe you'd have the gall to say that after saying, "Doesn't change the fact that messaging changed. They said what they said at the time."
jesus, you are so wrapped around the axel on this you can't even maintain a consistent position
NEVER FORGET!
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
if employers chose to implement vaccine mandates, that's on them
are you for the free market and the rights of private enterprise or not?
we're talking about people working indoors, in close quarters, at high density...
never forget the four D's of Covid: Density, Duration, Dimensions, Drafts
you just made the same mathematical faux pas that you got called out for above...holy fk...and you're the guy who claimed he liked to use math to smash narratives
I'll repeat, get better.
anecdata
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties
A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices
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This is simply wrong, and I've posted direct quotes from Biden and Fauci where they say it stops the virus.
I don't want Fox news, nor do I patronize any news source, TV or print. Nor am I a republican/rightie. You seem to stuck in a very binary mindset when it comes to partisanizing issues.
Trump was gone long before the general public had access to the vaccine. Most of the attacks on "misinformation" (that turned out to be true lol) came during Biden's term.
You mean the truth
Did they or did they not send that message at the time? Time stamped video evidence shows that they did, so I really don't know what fantasy world you are living in.Yes, I do. What I'm saying is that it really wasn't much of a choice at the end of the day when considering the realities of saying no for many, nor were people informed of the potential risks that are now coming to light. And those policies were pushed by the Biden admin itself where employers of 100+ would have to test weekly if their workers weren't vaccinated, which basically wasn't a choice from a logistical perspective for employers. It's a strong arm tactic whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
This was well into the fall when breakthrough infections were becoming more common and it was becoming increasingly obvious that vaccines were not preventing spread as well they claimed.
Biden, a convert to vaccine mandates, champions compliance
ELK GROVE VILLAGE, Il. (AP) — President Joe Biden on Thursday championed COVID-19 vaccination requirements, determined that the roughly 67 million unvaccinated American adults must get the shot even as he acknowledged that mandates weren't his “first instinct.”
apnews.com
What are you even talking about?!? This is what I said "Great. And only 6% more people had severe reactions to Moderna compared to 36% with Pfizer. Thankfully I got the Moderna."
I said 6% more, and it should be clear that I was speaking proportionally about the pfizer number as well, not a fraction of the whole cohort. Holy food dude, get better. You misunderstanding and running with it is not a faux pax on my part.
That would be extremely anomolous, to the point of being impossible, if breakthrus were as rare as Fauci said they would be.
Plenty of blue and purple states with high rates, and some red states with low rates.
lockdowns are over. Are drug deaths and suicides down?Doesn't change the fact that messaging changed. They said what they said at the time.
Again, irrelevant. They weren't the ones on TV telling us what we should do. Fauci was elevated to god-like status and that was who were supposed to trust.
Great. And only 6% more people had severe reactions to Moderna compared to 36% with Pfizer. Thankfully I got the Moderna.
It illustrates the point I've been making about the irrational and psychotic behavior directed at those who chose not to get vaccinated. A mentality which would not have existed had their not been an expectation, whether directly stated or implied, that vaccinations would reduce your ability to spread the disease. Just like there would've been no mandates, because they simply would not make sense.
So communicating with a child is the same as grown adults. Got itWhich is exactly what our public health apparatus did.
Welcome to the internet, you must be new here?!
More of the onus should've been put on the at risk to modify their behavior. Even my parents went out to eat more than I was comfortable with and thankfully they're fine.
Well I did lose my best friend from college to suicide during covid (june 2021). He was arguably on margin already, however the isolation is a big part of what pushed him over the edge. I imagine this is true for many of the suicide and drug/alcohol related deaths. I have another close friend who was also in an odd isolated life situation far away from family that he was on the brink as well but is doing well now.
I didn’t suffer. I did surf a lot in the early days of covid though.
The study you posted compared vaccine versus injection w placebo. Nobody, not here or anywhere, ever suggested the vaccine - or any vaccine for that matter - is completely without risk.
irrelevant.
the original vaccine messaging came out of the Trump administration. hard stop.
also worth noting Trump continued to promote the vaccine to much booing through 2021 as well
I love how you congratulate yourself for something you're wrong about.You mean the truth
that's not a good look.
also really keen to see the time stamped video evidence you're alluding to.
it was certainly a viable alternative, one that people pursued!
test were widely available and easily deployed.
what you call "strong arm tactics" were perfectly reasonable alternatives to the vaccine for people who did not want to take it.
it's wild to see how literally NOTHING is acceptable to you....total steel trap. won't let go. zero plasticity.
vaccines reduce spread of the virus, the severity of symptoms, and the likelihood of deathThis was well into the fall when breakthrough infections were becoming more common and it was becoming increasingly obvious that vaccines were not preventing spread as well they claimed.
Biden, a convert to vaccine mandates, champions compliance
ELK GROVE VILLAGE, Il. (AP) — President Joe Biden on Thursday championed COVID-19 vaccination requirements, determined that the roughly 67 million unvaccinated American adults must get the shot even as he acknowledged that mandates weren't his “first instinct.”
vaccines reduce spread of the virus, the severity of symptoms, and the likelihood of death
vaccines reduce spread of the virus, the severity of symptoms, and the likelihood of death
repeating it once more...employees are operating indoors, in close quarters, and create one of the greatest risks to spread.
do a better job using your words.
I don't know how many times this needs to be explained, but to quote stats without acknowledging the infinitesimally small baseline is disingenuous.
if I tell you that wearing a tinfoil hat makes you 30% more likely to be struck by lightning it is misleading without couching it in the baseline risk of being struck by ligtning which is incredibly low to the point of being nearly impossible; more people probably win 6-figure lottery pots each year.
and yet again, grapedrink takes something that Fauci said in the past prior to breakthroughs and holds it up against new, contemporaneous learnings
novel corona virus
like a steel trap!
Plenty of blue and purple states with high rates, and some red states with low rates.
the county data, which is obviously more granular, is pretty clear on this.
feel free to go back and look at the specific words I used....
just some science
www.medrxiv.org
Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine
Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether a bivalent COVID-19 vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods Employees of Cleveland Clinic in employment on the day the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine first became available to employees, were included. The cumulative incidence of...
www.medrxiv.org
We're the ones who won't let it go.
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W
www.foxnews.com
why do you never show the whole story?
White House sends guidance mandating face masks, social distancing for unvaccinated at 'College Athlete Day' | Fox News
The White House sent guidance requiring unvaccinated guests to wear face masks and practice social distancing, despite the government ending the COVID national emergency.
www.foxnews.com
We're the ones who won't let it go.
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I find it strange how the never forgetters are framing themselves as victim at a degree that seems compulsive with no level of self awareness.
But maybe it's not.
But maybe it's not.
well, this thread is now officially over, cause you just nailed it shut.the vaccines were developed and original messaging came out of the Trump administration
your bias is glaring
you just keep repeating the same tropes over and over and over again
I'm not going to keep repeating my points; you empirically do not absorb information and internalize it. you seem hellbent on making the same rants over and over again even after it's been pointed out to you how wrong and/or illogical they are.
they did give the best information they had at the time, tempered (stated for the one fkn thousandth motherfkn time) by the fact that they are delivering a message that is consumable for the lowest common denominator and is most effective at getting us to the point WE ALL DESIRED which was an elimination of the public health measures.
ho lee phuc!
I can't believe you'd have the gall to say that after saying, "Doesn't change the fact that messaging changed. They said what they said at the time."
jesus, you are so wrapped around the axel on this you can't even maintain a consistent position
NEVER FORGET!
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
if employers chose to implement vaccine mandates, that's on them
are you for the free market and the rights of private enterprise or not?
we're talking about people working indoors, in close quarters, at high density...
never forget the four D's of Covid: Density, Duration, Dimensions, Drafts
you just made the same mathematical faux pas that you got called out for above...holy fk...and you're the guy who claimed he liked to use math to smash narratives
I'll repeat, get better.
anecdata
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
the vaccine reduced spread, severity of symptoms, and fatalities
People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties
A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choiceswww.scientificamerican.com
well done sir!
Can you explain the “Cox proportional hazards regression” used in the left scale?just some science
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Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine
Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether a bivalent COVID-19 vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods Employees of Cleveland Clinic in employment on the day the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine first became available to employees, were included. The cumulative incidence of...
What messaging? Are you now admitting that there was messaging that suggested that the vaccine would stop the spread . .. . great. Thanks for making my point for me. Ultimately this doesn’t change my point because I’m speaking about the overall failure of the government snd the way they misled the public.
Please tell me exactly what I am wrong about
Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus
Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendati…
thehill.com
May 2021: Fauci said that the vaccinated become “dead ends”.
July 2021: Biden said you would not get Covid if you are vaccinated.
AP FACT CHECK: Biden goes too far in assurances on vaccines
President Joe Biden is offering what sounds like an absolute guarantee: If you're vaccinated, you won't get COVID-19. You won't end up in the hospital or die from it.
apnews.com
There’s your evidence- are you really going to stick to the narrative that there were no claims that the vaccine would stop the spread? Holy fook man. . . . On one hand you say that people should've done their own research, and on the other hand you say that public health messaging should be tailored to the lowest common denominator? Because those sound like pretty clear cut lowest common denominator messages to me, so which is it
Sure, for many it was. But to say that it was a viable alternative for all is incredibly disingenuous. Many people, like myself, live in areas where high quality employment is not widely available and there isn't always an equal or better paying job waiting in the wings for you.
So it's perfectly reasonable for an employer to volunteer to police their own employees and keep track of who's vaccinated or not in a company of 100 or more? Lol. You would have to hire someone at least part time just for that alone. Most employers chose to simply go along with the federal mandate because that's far easier . . .. and again . .. it was federally mandated.
1 per 800 having a severe reaction is not infintesimally small by any means. Last I checked, the covid death rate was less than 1% as well.
So 1 in 800 is nearly impossible? Lol.
It is relevant because that is the advice that people took at the time to decide if getting vaccinated was the right move for them.
Retracted coronavirus (COVID-19) papers
via CDC We’ve been tracking retractions of papers about COVID-19 as part of our database. Here’s a running list, which will be updated as needed. (For some context on these figures, see…
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