At least he is consistent.Still never heard his podcast but your mind is made up!
Brilliant.
"objectively"
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JORDAN PETERSON INTERVIEW LEAVES PIERS MORGAN SPEECHLESS ON VLADIMIR PUTIN!!!
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You just accused me of doing that to the erBB?
Nyet, suka blyad. I am of posting Olympic medalist figure skaters from glorious Mother Russia, well after they're off puberty blockers and powdered nutrient diets.
Alina here once said something to the effect of puberty is a myth, you just need to close your mouth and not eat. I think her understanding of some biological aspects of post-adolescence leave something to be desired, but there is a great deal to desire post-adolescence.
That is a duffy trick.You just accused me of doing that to the erBB?
Nyet, suka blyad. I am of posting Olympic medalist figure skaters from glorious Mother Russia, well after they're off puberty blockers and powdered nutrient diets.
Alina here once said something to the effect of puberty is a myth, you just need to close your mouth and not eat. I think her understanding of some biological aspects of post-adolescence leave something to be desired, but there is a great deal to desire post-adolescence.
Now he's got me all skiddish
I was going to say, the transgender tech game really improved.
I would bone all those guys.
Young girls with eating disorders often have delayed onset of menstruation.
Is posting on the erBB considered saying something? Or are you actively protesting these things so people involved hear you? If it’s important to you, why aren’t you publicly vocal?
You’re just a Karen on the internet.
I've asked @plasticbertrand the same questions and his answer every time has been yes, posting on the erBB is considered saying something.
Yeah, you always tell me to shut up but you never made me shut up.
You didn't do a thing about it, just talk.
Sad.
Didn't watch more than the first few minutes, but damn. Did you read the comments?
(440) Jordan Peterson Gets Emotional Talking About Olivia Wilde's 'Incel' Comparison - YouTube
(440) Jordan Peterson Gets Emotional Talking About Olivia Wilde's 'Incel' Comparison - YouTube
I can honestly say that there is no public figure I feel this strongly about.
That kind of sounds like you really, really, really need to get a life?
The comments are a scarcity thing.
When people grow up with no real guidance except pop culture and end up being a directionless/worthless/unhappy 20-30something failing at life and relationships and someone comes along and tells them to do the opposite of what pop culture is demonstrating and that it will improve their life drastically, and it does...those comments are the sort of feedback you get.
It's the same sort of thing you see when you go into the offices of certain types of surgeons at Christmastime and you see the walls plastered with 100s of Christmas cards from previous patients. They give a scarce service that made someone's life immensely better and people respond gushingly. Talk to some of their former patients and they'll sound just like the people in the comments.
Nah, it's the people who take Peterson's advice that need to get a life. What a bunch of lo(o)sers!
Better to stay angry at the world, finding oppression everywhere possible, while making politics your religion, and wondering if you should treat your depressed feelings of worthlessness with self-administered doses of psychedelics.
Lol.
Weak people need someone to follow. Like drug addicts turned Jesus Freaks, loners turned Proud Bois etc., it's just one unhealthy fix for another.
And?
Note, you are basically talking about most of humankind when you reference "weak people". lol.
I get what you're saying there and agree. But fanaticism doesn't apply to most people.
What is particularly unhealthy about JP's advice?
I Googled a summary of his book 12 rules for life and pulled it from this:
Book Summary - Beyond Order: 12 More Rules For Life
In this Beyond Order summary, you'll get an overview of 12 rules to help you embrace chaos and avoid rigidity in times of turbulence.
readingraphics.com
What would you say is unhealthy about "weak people" applying this sort of stuff to life:
Rule 1: Balance Social Convention and Creative Change
“Do not carelessly denigrate social institutions or creative achievement”
Our sanity and mental health depend on both (i) our internal psychological health and (ii) our external social institutions.
Psychologists like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung theorized that every individual has various sub-personalities. Freud suggested that every person has an ID, ego and superego. Jung suggested that every individual has an ego, a shadow (a dark side), an anima/animus (a repressed contrasexual side) and an ideal self. We’re well-adjusted when these inner personalities are balanced and integrated.
As a clinical psychologist, Peterson found that people’s social lives are also crucial for their mental health. This includes factors like: being educated to their intellectual capacity, using free time meaningfully, being free from major health/economic problems, having friends, a stable intimate relationship, close familial relationships, concrete plans for the future, and a financially-stable job or career.
One of Peterson’s socially-inept client became more socially integrated after he joined a photography club. Photography provided an outlet for his creative growth/expression, while the club offered a structured way for him to engage others.
Why social institutions matter
Human interactions help us to organize our thoughts, and give structure and meaning to our world.
• To communicate effectively, we must present our thoughts coherently, and prioritize important points over trivial ones. As we discuss our past experiences, current concerns or future plans, we figure out where we stand, where we’re headed and why.
• Through our communications, we also form implicit social contracts on what’s important, valuable and acceptable. When we step out of line, others will advise, criticize, cajole or laugh at us to bring us back on track. Such boundaries reduce the infinite possibilities into a comprehensible range of choices/behaviors.
To stay sane, we need social institutions. We need to balance conservatism with creative transformation.
• We need rules and constraints for order and stability. Yet, we also need creativity and change for growth and regeneration. The key is to know when to follow convention and when to reject social pressure. Strike a balance:
(i) Understand/respect the rules in social institutions; and
(ii) Dare to break the rules if it serves the greater good.
If you don’t recognize the value and necessity of rules, then you’re likely to violate them carelessly. However, if you’ve mastered the rules and can follow them with discipline, then you’re in a position to bend/break the rules morally to abide by the spirit (if not the letter) of the law.
• No matter how accomplished you are, stay humble. Assume there’s always more to learn, and interact regularly with different types of people to stretch your mind. Get the “conservative type” to implement tried-and-tested methods, and engage the “liberal type” to identify and replace outdated practices.
• Don’t confuse power with authority. People who exert power over others use threats or punishments to compel others. People with authority gain real influence due to their ability to solve problems. Build strong peer relationships based on reciprocity, e.g. respect others and demand respect, show up for others and trust them to show up for you.
Rule 2: Keep Moving Toward your Ideal Self
“Imagine who you could be, and then aim single-mindedly at that”
We are complex beings with dormant potential and are constantly changing. To answer the question “Who am I?” you must consider who you are now as well as who you could be. Choose the best-possible ideal self and start moving toward that aspiration.
Rule 3: Don’t Avoid the Small Issues
“Do not hide unwanted things in the fog”
Don’t dismiss the small daily irritations as mere trivialities, or allow the small things to add up. It’s like trying to hide unwanted things in a fog so you won’t see them—eventually you’ll stumble over something and hurt yourself. In our full Beyond Order summary, we’ll elaborate on what it means to avoid self-deception, get clear on what you want/need and have the courage to confront your problems.
Rule 4: Opportunities Lie Where Responsibility has been Abdicated
“Notice that opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated”
The most positive and fulfilling experiences come from pursuing a meaningful goal, or from achieving something worthwhile. Look for opportunities where responsibility has been abdicated—both to add value by doing what others haven’t done, and to listen to your conscience (when you’re the one who has abdicated responsibility).
Rule 5: Don’t Betray Your Values and Conscience
“Do not do what you hate”
Always follow your conscience and deeply-held values. Refuse to do anything that would cause you to hate yourself or feel self-contempt. Learn the risks of acting vs not acting, when to make a stand and fortify your position.
Rule 6: Cast Ideologies Aside
“Abandon ideology”
Beware of ideologies that assign a single cause (e.g. power, sex, money) for a complex problem. The reality is never so simple. Abandon ideologies and stop looking for external factors to blame. Instead, look inward and take responsibility for your situation.
Rule 7: To Develop Yourself, Commit to Something Fully
“Work as hard as you possibly can on at least one thing and see what happens”
Committing to a goal (be it your job, studies, or relationship) is crucial for growth and maturation. Choose a direction in life, work as hard as possible on at least one thing, and see what happens from there. Subjugate yourself to the relevant social or professional rules, and persist in face of challenges to develop your discipline and personality. You become a true master when you master and transcend the dogma.
Rule 8: Create Something Beautiful
“Try to make one room in your home as beautiful as possible”
Most adults have lost the child-like wonder we used to possess. Start by making at least 1 room in your house as beautiful as possible. By creating 1 beautiful thing, you’ll form a relationship with beauty that can be extended to all areas of your life.
Rule 9: Clear Up Unresolved Issues From the Past
“If old memories still upset you, write them down carefully and completely”
To orientate yourself in the world, you need a map of where you’ve been, where you are now, and where you’re going. Unresolved issues in the past can affect the accuracy of your map, to negatively affect your current journey. If a memory from the past still upsets you, write down the incident in detail to bring the murky events into focus, come come to terms with what happened, and strip the memory of its horror.
Rule 10: Sustain Romance with Planning and Effort
“Plan and work diligently to maintain the romance in your relationship”
When 2 people first fall in love, they see only the best in each other. Although the magic eventually fades, it’s possible to sustain the romance with proper planning and real work. Find out why you can’t find a perfect soulmate, and what it takes to grow and mature as a couple and strengthen your relationship.
Rule 11: Don’t Succumb to Resentment, Deceit or Arrogance
“Do not allow yourself to become resentful, deceitful, or arrogant”
All of us have a dark side. That’s why people commit crimes, wage wars, rape, cheat and lie. According to Peterson, evil comes from resentment, deceit and arrogance. Master your malevolence, recognize that duality exists in everything, and bad things can befall anyone.
Rule 12: Stay Grateful In Spite of your Suffering
“Be grateful in spite of your suffering”
Suffering is inevitable. Yet, humans have the capacity to transcend our suffering, and to stay hopeful in the darkest of times. In face of tragedy, seek courage and inspiration from others who have risen above their loss and despair. Be grateful for what you still have and what you may still be given.
Like every good social media conman, Peterson mixes facts and sound advice with insane right wing theories.And?
Note, you are basically talking about most of humankind when you reference "weak people". lol.
I get what you're saying there and agree. But fanaticism doesn't apply to most people.
What is particularly unhealthy about JP's advice?
I Googled a summary of his book 12 rules for life and pulled it from this:
Book Summary - Beyond Order: 12 More Rules For Life
In this Beyond Order summary, you'll get an overview of 12 rules to help you embrace chaos and avoid rigidity in times of turbulence.
What would you say is unhealthy about "weak people" applying this sort of stuff to life:
Rule 1: Balance Social Convention and Creative Change
“Do not carelessly denigrate social institutions or creative achievement”
Our sanity and mental health depend on both (i) our internal psychological health and (ii) our external social institutions.
Psychologists like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung theorized that every individual has various sub-personalities. Freud suggested that every person has an ID, ego and superego. Jung suggested that every individual has an ego, a shadow (a dark side), an anima/animus (a repressed contrasexual side) and an ideal self. We’re well-adjusted when these inner personalities are balanced and integrated.
As a clinical psychologist, Peterson found that people’s social lives are also crucial for their mental health. This includes factors like: being educated to their intellectual capacity, using free time meaningfully, being free from major health/economic problems, having friends, a stable intimate relationship, close familial relationships, concrete plans for the future, and a financially-stable job or career.
One of Peterson’s socially-inept client became more socially integrated after he joined a photography club. Photography provided an outlet for his creative growth/expression, while the club offered a structured way for him to engage others.
Why social institutions matter
Human interactions help us to organize our thoughts, and give structure and meaning to our world.
• To communicate effectively, we must present our thoughts coherently, and prioritize important points over trivial ones. As we discuss our past experiences, current concerns or future plans, we figure out where we stand, where we’re headed and why.
• Through our communications, we also form implicit social contracts on what’s important, valuable and acceptable. When we step out of line, others will advise, criticize, cajole or laugh at us to bring us back on track. Such boundaries reduce the infinite possibilities into a comprehensible range of choices/behaviors.
To stay sane, we need social institutions. We need to balance conservatism with creative transformation.
• We need rules and constraints for order and stability. Yet, we also need creativity and change for growth and regeneration. The key is to know when to follow convention and when to reject social pressure. Strike a balance:
(i) Understand/respect the rules in social institutions; and
(ii) Dare to break the rules if it serves the greater good.
If you don’t recognize the value and necessity of rules, then you’re likely to violate them carelessly. However, if you’ve mastered the rules and can follow them with discipline, then you’re in a position to bend/break the rules morally to abide by the spirit (if not the letter) of the law.
• No matter how accomplished you are, stay humble. Assume there’s always more to learn, and interact regularly with different types of people to stretch your mind. Get the “conservative type” to implement tried-and-tested methods, and engage the “liberal type” to identify and replace outdated practices.
• Don’t confuse power with authority. People who exert power over others use threats or punishments to compel others. People with authority gain real influence due to their ability to solve problems. Build strong peer relationships based on reciprocity, e.g. respect others and demand respect, show up for others and trust them to show up for you.
Rule 2: Keep Moving Toward your Ideal Self
“Imagine who you could be, and then aim single-mindedly at that”
We are complex beings with dormant potential and are constantly changing. To answer the question “Who am I?” you must consider who you are now as well as who you could be. Choose the best-possible ideal self and start moving toward that aspiration.
Rule 3: Don’t Avoid the Small Issues
“Do not hide unwanted things in the fog”
Don’t dismiss the small daily irritations as mere trivialities, or allow the small things to add up. It’s like trying to hide unwanted things in a fog so you won’t see them—eventually you’ll stumble over something and hurt yourself. In our full Beyond Order summary, we’ll elaborate on what it means to avoid self-deception, get clear on what you want/need and have the courage to confront your problems.
Rule 4: Opportunities Lie Where Responsibility has been Abdicated
“Notice that opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated”
The most positive and fulfilling experiences come from pursuing a meaningful goal, or from achieving something worthwhile. Look for opportunities where responsibility has been abdicated—both to add value by doing what others haven’t done, and to listen to your conscience (when you’re the one who has abdicated responsibility).
Rule 5: Don’t Betray Your Values and Conscience
“Do not do what you hate”
Always follow your conscience and deeply-held values. Refuse to do anything that would cause you to hate yourself or feel self-contempt. Learn the risks of acting vs not acting, when to make a stand and fortify your position.
Rule 6: Cast Ideologies Aside
“Abandon ideology”
Beware of ideologies that assign a single cause (e.g. power, sex, money) for a complex problem. The reality is never so simple. Abandon ideologies and stop looking for external factors to blame. Instead, look inward and take responsibility for your situation.
Rule 7: To Develop Yourself, Commit to Something Fully
“Work as hard as you possibly can on at least one thing and see what happens”
Committing to a goal (be it your job, studies, or relationship) is crucial for growth and maturation. Choose a direction in life, work as hard as possible on at least one thing, and see what happens from there. Subjugate yourself to the relevant social or professional rules, and persist in face of challenges to develop your discipline and personality. You become a true master when you master and transcend the dogma.
Rule 8: Create Something Beautiful
“Try to make one room in your home as beautiful as possible”
Most adults have lost the child-like wonder we used to possess. Start by making at least 1 room in your house as beautiful as possible. By creating 1 beautiful thing, you’ll form a relationship with beauty that can be extended to all areas of your life.
Rule 9: Clear Up Unresolved Issues From the Past
“If old memories still upset you, write them down carefully and completely”
To orientate yourself in the world, you need a map of where you’ve been, where you are now, and where you’re going. Unresolved issues in the past can affect the accuracy of your map, to negatively affect your current journey. If a memory from the past still upsets you, write down the incident in detail to bring the murky events into focus, come come to terms with what happened, and strip the memory of its horror.
Rule 10: Sustain Romance with Planning and Effort
“Plan and work diligently to maintain the romance in your relationship”
When 2 people first fall in love, they see only the best in each other. Although the magic eventually fades, it’s possible to sustain the romance with proper planning and real work. Find out why you can’t find a perfect soulmate, and what it takes to grow and mature as a couple and strengthen your relationship.
Rule 11: Don’t Succumb to Resentment, Deceit or Arrogance
“Do not allow yourself to become resentful, deceitful, or arrogant”
All of us have a dark side. That’s why people commit crimes, wage wars, rape, cheat and lie. According to Peterson, evil comes from resentment, deceit and arrogance. Master your malevolence, recognize that duality exists in everything, and bad things can befall anyone.
Rule 12: Stay Grateful In Spite of your Suffering
“Be grateful in spite of your suffering”
Suffering is inevitable. Yet, humans have the capacity to transcend our suffering, and to stay hopeful in the darkest of times. In face of tragedy, seek courage and inspiration from others who have risen above their loss and despair. Be grateful for what you still have and what you may still be given.
This way, his supporters can single out the good things, while ignoring the insane things, and go: see?
Rogan and Shapiro follow the same mantra.