which is why you need to start treating white people who kill for political reasons the same as you do Islamic radicals - like terrorists. The only difference I can see in the two is that one wants to harm all of America and the other wants to harm everyone but white Americans (or conservatives when the violence is against abortion doctors, for instance).
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It's ok, there are just a few people at the Nazi Rallies
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Why should I attempt to respond to tangents that are completely irrelevant to the discussion? Why should I continue to attempt to put more effort into any discussion with you than you'll contribute? Considering how mindless this pattern of posting is I am beginning to wonder if you're a bot.sirfun said:GDaddy said:
"microaggresions" was/is a non-sequitur to this thread !! )
the can of worms wasn't !! )
I love the ad/value/hom of your sequence of non-sequitur claims !! )
you could try a little harder !! )
If you want to engage me then come out from behind the articles that other people write and engage me. If you want to continue to hide then don't whine about it when I dismiss the mindlessness of whatever reasoning it is of your's that makes you think the racial injustices that occurred 50-150 years ago accounts for why Baltimore's rates of violent crime have been increasing over the last 20 years.
I would go so far as to call any allegation that I don't consider a political terrorist to be a political terrorist if they're white to be unfounded. And by all means, you shouldn't lose sight of the leftist terrorists who happen to be white. I sure don't.StuAzole said:
Call me crazy, but I believe in risk assessment and risk management.
IMO any group of people that - when polled - profess to support political and religious violence in the 50% -90% ranges and which have a *demonstrated contemporary history that backs that up* bears some additional scrutiny at the very least. I don't think that pointing to a 2nd generation terr as an example of "impossible to avoid" is a valid argument because those individuals ARE possible to avoid if we don't take in people from the higher risk groups.
And the polling for those obscenely high percentages in the "donor" countries does exist IRL. Not even you can deny that.
If there was a district producing a violent faction of nazis or communists or Lutheran fundamentalists that were setting off mass murders on a weekly basis in Europe I'd decline to be taking immigrants from that district, and I sure as heck wouldn't want them congregating in their own isolated enclaves that would shield them from the necessity to assimilate.
IMO any group of people that - when polled - profess to support political and religious violence in the 50% -90% ranges and which have a *demonstrated contemporary history that backs that up* bears some additional scrutiny at the very least. I don't think that pointing to a 2nd generation terr as an example of "impossible to avoid" is a valid argument because those individuals ARE possible to avoid if we don't take in people from the higher risk groups.
And the polling for those obscenely high percentages in the "donor" countries does exist IRL. Not even you can deny that.
If there was a district producing a violent faction of nazis or communists or Lutheran fundamentalists that were setting off mass murders on a weekly basis in Europe I'd decline to be taking immigrants from that district, and I sure as heck wouldn't want them congregating in their own isolated enclaves that would shield them from the necessity to assimilate.
And BTW, your incessant "white people" strawman doesn't work if my reservations are more closely limited than that. A real xenophobe doesn't like ANY outsiders from anywhere. A real racist hates EVERYONE from their target race equally regardless of any other personal attribute. A real sexist hates all women and not just the radfem sweet and delicious bag of pickles who hate men.
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GDaddy said:Why should I attempt to respond to tangents that are completely irrelevant to the discussion? Why should I continue to attempt to put more effort into any discussion with you than you'll contribute? Considering how mindless this pattern of posting is I am beginning to wonder if you're a bot.sirfun said:GDaddy said:
"microaggresions" was/is a non-sequitur to this thread !! )
the can of worms wasn't !! )
I love the ad/value/hom of your sequence of non-sequitur claims !! )
you could try a little harder !! )
If you want to engage me then come out from behind the articles that other people write and engage me. If you want to continue to hide then don't whine about it when I dismiss the mindlessness of whatever reasoning it is of your's that makes you think the racial injustices that occurred 50-150 years ago accounts for why Baltimore's rates of violent crime have been increasing over the last 20 years.
good question !! ) why do you ask ?? )
again why are you asking me ?? ) that is for you to decide !! )
look beyond your stats you are hiding behind !! ) 
I believe you !! )
there is that CS projection again !! ) In 2011, Baltimore police reported 196 homicides, the lowest number since recording 197 homicides in 1978. That number is far lower than the peak homicide count of 353 in 1993
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Baltimore
Here are the numbers for the period of 2001-2015:
Baltimore
Population - 620,000 (110,000 less than the 1990 population)
Non-white/non-hispanic population 65%
Median Household Income (2014) - $44,165
Population living at poverty level - 23.8%
2001 - 256
2002 - 253
2003 - 270
2004 - 276
2005 - 269
2006 - 276
2007 - 282
2008 - 234
2009 - 238
2010 - 223
2011 - 196
2012 - 218
2013 - 223
2014 - 211
2015 - 344
The median murder count in Baltimore from 2001-2015 was 245/yr
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El Paso TX
Population - 681,000
Non-white/non-hispanic population 86%
Median Household Income - $45,069
Population living at poverty level - 21.5%
2001 - 20
2002 - 14
2003 - 21
2004 - 11
2005 - 14
2006 - 13
2007 - 17
2008 - 17
2009 - 12
2010 - 5
2011 - 16
2012 - 23
2013 - 10
2014 - 21
2015 - 17
The median murder count in El Paso from 2001-2015 was 15/yr
It should be apparent even to you that the dominant variable between these two population groups isn't household income or poverty, and El Paso has even fewer of whitey than Baltimore.
I could pick other cities for comparisons if you want but you're not going to like what those numbers look like, either.