…. Everything has already been done. All we’ve got left is refinement, regurgitating, mashing up etc. (N lotsa “tech gimmicks) Just one example: the Dumpster Diver 2, refined 80s bump/hip squash
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The most common alt-tech the CT guys would try would be EPS/Epoxy and that build definitely has its drawbacks. Everyone has tried to temper its perceived shortcomings with every imaginable combination of stringers/no stringers/composite stringers, Spine-Tek's, Exo Flex's, carbon strips etc., but the base foam has a feeling a lot of people don't like, especially when the CT lucks into good waves. CT'ers aren't going to waste too much time testing EPS based borts when events hopefully luck into decent waves in the event window.
I can't see a shaper pushing one of their riders onto the EPS based alt-techs since it's probably more expensive and time consuming for the the factory and with the potential reject rate it doesn't make much sense. For borts that may go good in glassy small waves, where's the incentive to make any in an alternative construction?
With something like Varial, there's not enough upside for a shaper to make a quiver out of them, since one of their big attributes is that they feel like PU and don't lose their pop. CT'ers don't care about borts losing their pop. If it's a magic one, they're putting it on ice and they're usually onto the next batch with subtle tweaks and putting another "magic one" on ice. Why go with a more expensive tech that's "PU-esque" when they can more cheaply and efficiently build a regular PU?
A friend who's worked at CI forever told me that when Connor was riding Varials and liked them, Mike Walter at someone's (rhymes with mitt) request, talked him out of ordering more saying they were too expensive and stinky to shape for his bort deal with CI.
I can't see a shaper pushing one of their riders onto the EPS based alt-techs since it's probably more expensive and time consuming for the the factory and with the potential reject rate it doesn't make much sense. For borts that may go good in glassy small waves, where's the incentive to make any in an alternative construction?
With something like Varial, there's not enough upside for a shaper to make a quiver out of them, since one of their big attributes is that they feel like PU and don't lose their pop. CT'ers don't care about borts losing their pop. If it's a magic one, they're putting it on ice and they're usually onto the next batch with subtle tweaks and putting another "magic one" on ice. Why go with a more expensive tech that's "PU-esque" when they can more cheaply and efficiently build a regular PU?
A friend who's worked at CI forever told me that when Connor was riding Varials and liked them, Mike Walter at someone's (rhymes with mitt) request, talked him out of ordering more saying they were too expensive and stinky to shape for his bort deal with CI.
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I wonder when we'll see "relic" surfboards come into fashion?
My quiver is half standard pu and half eps/epoxy. I weigh 95kg and in my experience the eps/epoxy builds are stronger and live a fair bit longer than the many pu builds I have had over the years. If I were a pro I would love to have a whole quiver in pu and glassed light and get constant replacements every time I snapped a board or it started feeling dull. In the real world I can’t afford that and enjoy eps construction for my small wave and daily driver boards and pu for good and big waves. Anyway just a different angle on what the pros ride vs average joes.
It could be that the pros don't like the durability factor of high tech EPS / Epoxy boards too.
I think that may be correct. Their borts are glassed light and get foot-wells really quickly. I've heard and read that a lot of pros like the wells, saying it gives them a more connected feeling and a reference point for their front foot. That's a partial reason a few (Kelly, JJF) played around with concave decks to mimic that feel.
My eps blanks have pressured quicker than pu blanks. Once they get to a certain depth they stay put pretty good
There's plenty of board builders doing light, strong, durable PU glassing these days
Pyzel/Harborside Glassing, Arakawa/Murray Glassing, Stamps all come to mind
pu isn't "outdated tech" IMO. it's just dependable
Pyzel/Harborside Glassing, Arakawa/Murray Glassing, Stamps all come to mind
pu isn't "outdated tech" IMO. it's just dependable
Horses for courses. PU but I also like alt builds for smaller weaker waves. Personal preference. YMMV
One issue I’ve had with pu/pe the last 5-8 years, is busting out fin boxes. Has happened with both FCS and Futures boxes on maybe 6 boars from different shapers and CA/HI glass shops, including a Pyzel Oceanside. Mostly but not all twins. Haven’t had that problem with denser foam such as Varial or XTR.