Says the guy who "doesn't remember" what was said by our government and media about the vaccineEven worse sign of your credibility.
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Says the guy who "doesn't remember" what was said by our government and media about the vaccineEven worse sign of your credibility.
I do think it's disingenuous for someone (not necessarily you, BTW) to claim that something is failing because it's not absolute when it was never intended to be absolute.Then you are either forgetful and/or willfully ignorant to the actual messaging. Fauci and Biden overpromised the results of the virus. See the link above and this:
Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus
Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendati…thehill.com
Plus if there wasn't at least an implicit notion that the vaccine would prevent you from infecting others, then why were so many millions of people so rabid about the health choices of others
UH, see my link above where Fauci calls the vaxxed "dead ends" for the virus.
So it's disingenuous for me to pull up actual statements that were spoken as truth and proved to later be wrong Statements that when called into question, the messenger had their character attacked vigorously, who later proved to be right? Now you are saying that those things were never said (textbook gaslighting), and I'm the one being disingenuous
I also never said the vaccines don't work and I'm not an anti vaxxer. I voluntarily took the vaccine. What I'm pointing out is how wrong the government got it, and that a bunch of people acted like sanctimonious assholes over the health choices of others for basically no reason at all.
He explained…It's true that he said it. The idea that the vaccine made you a "dead end" is not true.
This explanation doesn’t explain a dead end.Fauci explained to host John Dickerson that fully vaccinated people can go without masks even if they have an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 because the level of virus is much lower in their nasopharynx, the top part of their throat that lies behind the nose, than it is in someone who is unvaccinated.
“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.
I never claimed to not remember. Again this continues to show your poor credibility.Says the guy who "doesn't remember" what was said by our government and media about the vaccine
Keep reading: "“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. "He explained…
This explanation doesn’t explain a dead end.
How can I be duped by the media when they reported exactly what he saidI guess you’re easily duped by the media when you want to be. That’s what they count on, in fact.
Speaking of moving the goalposts, the CDC-recommended number of COVID jabs is up around 5-7 now. I’ve lost count.I am sensing some movement with those goalposts....
I was a souther before it was cool.The weirdest thing about COVID is what happened to surfing. Just bizarre. When it hit, I figured surfboard sales would plummet. People would be trying to survive. The last thing a guy with 10 surfboards needs is 15 surfboards. Adult learners will probably go away as they cower in fear inside their dooplexes. I was looking at what we had in the bank and figuring we could limp along for a couple of years just cutting a few boards to keep the lights on.
And then all that government COVID relief money started pouring in. 30 boards a day wasn't enough. Not even close. Demand was insane. Off the hook. Nobody was working. Joe Biden has bought more surfboards than anybody in the history of surfboards. I'd go surfing in my hometown and there was no one in the water I knew. Everyplace was Porto. Manhattan beach north. And it will never be the same here. I'm sure other places experienced this differently, but this place is not the same, nor will it ever be the same. Because Chinese wet markets. And proximity to Los Angeles. We're all southers now...
whodathunkit?
Didn't mask mandates persist for longer than needed because of widespread refusal to get vaccinated not because of the inefficay of the vaccine?Maybe he thought it would be true at the time, but it certainly didn't pan out that way. Mask mandates persisted for almost a year after full vaccine availability. Breakthrough infections and pass-ons were not rare by any means, so saying that getting vaccinated would be a "Dead End" was false.
No. Mask mandates were about optics more than anything. Their efficacy was minimal.Didn't mask mandates persist for longer than needed because of widespread refusal to get vaccinated not because of the inefficay of the vaccine?
Because they highlight “dead end”, and even put it in the title. He says “very, very low likelihood” of transmission with asymptomatic vaccination. That’s not literally a dead end. Is it true? I don’t know. You’ve shown nothing to disprove it.Keep reading: "“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. "
Fauci's. Exact. Words.
How can I be duped by the media when they reported exactly what he said
Never forgetting mean never and never is forever.Did you all forget to Never forget about that other thread?
It's not my job to show consistency and continuity in his statements. Fauci made them, not me. I'm pointing out that he was wrong with both of those statements.Because they highlight “dead end”, and even put it in the title. He says “very, very low likelihood” of transmission with asymptomatic vaccination. That’s not literally a dead end. Is it true? I don’t know. You’ve shown nothing to disprove it.
Maybe you don't read and hear too good.I don't recall it being any different. I was never under any impression that the vaccine was some kind of complete virus blocker that fully prevented illness or transmission. It's always been about rounding off the edges so less people die, less people are hospitalized and less people spread it but it was never some magic serum. Maybe I just read more than most people but I never understood where people got the idea that it was supposed to stop COVID in it's tracks. How did the 'do your research' crew somehow get this part of the vaccince's efficacy wrong? This just seems like a disingenuous tactic used by antivaxers to support their notion that the vaccines 'don't work'.
But not John Prine.The vaccine was oversold, but saved 10s of millions of lives
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No, you haven't shown that he was wrong with both statements. His statements are obviously somewhat contradictory but it would only have taken slightly different phrasing to make them congruent. If he would have said something like "all but a dead end" for instance, that would be consistent.It's not my job to show consistency and continuity in his statements. Fauci made them, not me. I'm pointing out that he was wrong with both of those statements.
The fact that the majority of Omicron cases were with people who were vaccinated is proof that the "dead end" and "unlikely" statements were wildly false.No, you haven't shown that he was wrong with both statements.
No matter how he said it, it still would've been wrong!His statements are obviously somewhat contradictory but it would only have taken slightly different phrasing to make them congruent. If he would have said something like "all but a dead end" for instance, that would be consistent.
Wrong. Like I said, most Omicron infections were among the vaccinated.That there is a "very, very low likelihood” of transmission with asymptomatic vaccination hasn't been shown to be true or false by anything presented so far.