Can we talk about the failed experiment in American education we've been conducting for almost a year?

[One-Off]

Cry me a river. So basically you get paid for 12 months for only working 9 months. You're off what at 3:30 every day. Sounds treacherous.

Before teaching I worked over 10 years in various aspects of construction. From being a grunt hauling lumber around a work site, to sanding sailboat hull moulds for 40 hours a week. I worked for custom furniture makers and did a bunch of remodel restoration work on historic homes. LABOR.

None of that compares to the exhaustion of trying to keep 40 13 year olds engaged in a lesson for 6 hours a day.

Don't talk about things you know nothing of. FUKER.

 

[hal9000]

Before teaching I worked over 10 years I various aspects of construction. From being a grunt hauling lumber around a work site, to sanding sailboat hull moulds for 40 hours a week. I worked for custom furniture makers and did a bunch of remodel restoration work on historic homes. LABOR.

None of that compares to the exhaustion of trying to keep 40 13 year olds engaged in a lesson for 6 hours a day.

Don't talk about things you know nothing of. FUKER.

depends on the district you work in and how involved and responsible the parents are.

85% of student outcomes are driven by “outside of school“ factors.

 

[Ifallalot]

Opinion | Catholic Schools Are Beating Covid

Will Joe Biden speak up for those he credits with making him the man he is today?

www.wsj.com

 

[hal9000]

Opinion | Catholic Schools Are Beating Covid

Will Joe Biden speak up for those he credits with making him the man he is today?

www.wsj.com

I’d take data from a research source more seriously than an opinion piece

 

[StuAzole]

I’d take data from a research source more seriously than an opinion piece

Catholic schools charge tuition so they can afford nicer things. They're also smaller than public schools so social distancing is easier. They're also a single school, not a district, so they're able to plan more easily.

Also, catholic schools pay their often non-credentialed teachers less than public schools and really just care about jesus stuff, raising money and sports.

 

[hal9000]

Catholic schools charge tuition so they can afford nicer things. They're also smaller than public schools so social distancing is easier. They're also a single school, not a district, so they're able to plan more easily.

Also, catholic schools pay their often non-credentialed teachers less than public schools and really just care about jesus stuff, raising money and sports.

I went to Catholic school, I know how it works. I also know that the nuns are very smart, very caring and strive to do what’s right and good in the world. So if they’ve figured out something, other than the things you mentioned, I’d like to hear about it.

That WSJ opinion piece was devoid of any context and failed to provide any objective facts that would be of any use to anyone. The article was predicated on the authors’ own confirmation biases and his misrepresentations (for example, his assertion that teachers unions resent catholic schools.)

I’m not a religious person but I’d consider myself generally pro-Catholic school, however I’m not such a fan of the ones that are run by an all male faculty (I’m looking right at you, CBA).

 

[StuAzole]

I went to Catholic school, I know how it works. I also know that the nuns are very smart, very caring and strive to do what’s right and good in the world. So if they’ve figured out something, other than the things you mentioned, I’d like to hear about it.

That WSJ opinion piece was devoid of any context and failed to provide any objective facts that would be of any use to anyone. The article was predicated on the authors’ own confirmation biases and his misrepresentations (for example, his assertion that teachers unions resent catholic schools.)

I’m not a religious person but I’d consider myself generally pro-Catholic school, however I’m not such a fan of the ones that are run by an all male faculty (I’m looking right at you, CBA).

Bru, nuns don’t teach at most Catholic schools anymore. I’m sure there some good ones, but my history with them is athletes and rich kids and nothing more.

irrrrregardless, small private schools aren’t instructive for large districts.

 

[hal9000]

Bru, nuns don’t teach at most Catholic schools anymore. I’m sure there some good ones, but my history with them is athletes and rich kids and nothing more.

irrrrregardless, small private schools aren’t instructive for large districts.

Catholic school enrollment is also at historic lows, which could explain why they're able to stay open during the pandemic. 33% full classrooms is a good way to slow the spread.

I’d still like to see a scientific analysis of what’s working in parochial schools so everyone else can replicate it, but I also kind of doubt the assertion that catholic schools have worked miracles. Two schools near me have had to shut down periodically.

 

[GromsDad]

i think you're missing the point of the comic, hal. the guidance coming from the CDC & the evidence are suggesting that kids are SAFER in school & that transmission rates are not what we thought they'd be back in the spring or september, but the teacher's unions are pushing back against reopening, using students as pawns in some kind of power play. & that fits w/ what i hear from my teacher friends...the teachers & the union are refusing to go back full tilt unless their demands are met. demands that don't necessarily make sense, given what a growing body of evidence suggests is (or isn't) happening.

Hal will deny that this is happening.

It's war: NJ district now suing teachers over return to classrooms

Tensions mount across the state between parents and school districts.

nj1015.com

 

[hal9000]

Did you read the article you posted? I’m guessing you did not.

The headline is very misleading, and it also discussed many of the issues I pointed out above.

A superintendent in one district does not exactly have the makings of a revolution.

Stop falling into your own logic traps, CJ.

 

[GromsDad]

Nice deflection.

 

[hal9000]

CJ using the false consensus logical fallacy.

 

[Ifallalot]

Hal, we understand that most rank and file teachers do want to return. However, unions are fighting the return nationwide

Teachers Are Wary of Returning to Class, and Online Instruction Too (Published 2020)

Unions are threatening to strike if classrooms reopen, but are also pushing to limit live remote teaching. Their demands will shape pandemic education.

www.nytimes.com

How Teachers' Unions Are Influencing Decisions on School Reopenings

With coronavirus cases surging, labor groups are often pushing for a conservative approach to getting teachers and kids back in buildings.

www.edweek.org

Role Of Teachers Unions In The Push To Reopen Classrooms

In the pandemic-centered debate over school reopenings, teachers unions have been standing up with strike threats, legal actions and protests. Critics say this action has nothing to do with education.

www.npr.org

In-person classes delayed again as CPS and CTU still have no deal to avoid teachers strike. Here’s where they stand on key issues.

Since Monday, there's been little word from the city of progress in talks.

www.chicagotribune.com

Teachers unions' political support for Biden paying off as he takes their side in reopening battle

After spending millions to support President Biden and other Democrats in the 2020 election cycle, teachers unions are finding Biden to be a reliable ally.

www.foxnews.com

Clarification: Virus Outbreak story

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — In a story published February 2, 2021, The Associated Press reported that a survey by a teachers union in Fairfax County, Virginia, found that less than 10% of teachers feel it is safe to return to classrooms amid the COVID-19 pandemic...

apnews.com

Chicago Teachers Might Strike. A Group of Parents, Backed by a Right-Wing Law Firm, Stands to Sue.

The conservative movement is capitalizing on school closures to weaken public education.

theintercept.com

 

[Autoprax]

Someone has (TUDS). Teacher's union deraganment syndrome?

They are totally mind fucking you.

Just move on.

It's like all these people loosing their sh!t have never been through a global pandemic before.

 

[hal9000]

What are the safety issues that the unions want addressed? Adequate ventilation has not been addressed in most schools. Telling people to “just suck it up and get into the classroom” really isn’t helpful.

Parents and Boards of Ed should be fighting to get teachers vaccinated.

 

[Autoprax]

It is weird how teachers are not in line to be vaccinated.

Given that the parents want to get the kids the F out of the house.

Kaiser's CEO keeps sending emails, telling people to quit asking when they will have vaccines.

They sent two so far this month.

 

[hal9000]

Someone has (TUDS). Teacher's union deraganment syndrome?

They are totally mind fucking you.

Just move on.

It's like all these people loosing their sh!t have never been through a global pandemic before.

did ifail even read the articles he posted?

what ever happened to “state and local governments should determine their own courses of action”?

should the federal government start intervening in state and local affairs?

 

[Ifallalot]

Someone has (TUDS). Teacher's union deraganment syndrome?

They are totally mind fucking you.

Just move on.

It's like all these people loosing their sh!t have never been through a global pandemic before.

Who has "TUDS".

Why do you feel the need to defend them when I'm simply presenting presumably factual articles without comment?

 

[Ifallalot]

did ifail even read the articles he posted?

what ever happened to “state and local governments should determine their own courses of action”?

should the federal government start intervening in state and local affairs?

Did I say anything otherwise? Government is always better when local

Those articles were presented, without comment, to refute your assertion that teacher's unions are not fighting returning to school

They were also presented without comment to see what you would invent what you think I'm thinking out of thin air

 

[Autoprax]

Who has "TUDS".

Why do you feel the need to defend them when I'm simply presenting presumably factual articles without comment?

You know what I am saying is true.

Move on.