But we haven't weakened Russia. Ukraine isnt going to regain their territory. Its over. The average age of their remaining soldiers is over 40. Prolonging this conflict further is a waste of Ukrainian lives and US taxpayer money.
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Are the Democrats about to cook up a fake war
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How do you think it plays out when the US stops supporting Ukraine?
Not a gotcha question.
They negotiate a settlement?
Its basically a stalemate. Ukraine seems unlikely to retake any territory without other countries getting involved directly.
No amount of money or weapons can solve their manpower problem.
How long before Russia accuses Ukraine of some violation of the "settlement" and uses that as a pretext to roll tanks again?
I give it 2 years max.
Multi-variate. Depends on who wins in November and what Europe does.
Disagree with this. They're buying sh!t from North Korea and emptying jails and conscripting soldiers.
The Ukrainians, sacrificing their lives fighting Russia, have cost Russia over 300,000 casualties plus half of Russia's tanks were destroyed or captured already. Let them finish the job before it is too late!
"The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times reported in December 2023 that a declassified U.S. intelligence assessment, shared with Congress, estimated 315,000 Russian personnel had been killed or injured since the start of the invasion, amounting to 87 percent of its prewar force.
"Russia lost 9,557 armored fighting vehicles, of which 120 were destroyed in a single day, along with a total of 29 Russian artillery systems, bringing total losses to 7,012, according to the update. Other Russian losses include 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 548 air defense systems, 320 aircraft, 5,326 drones, 20 ships and boats, and one submarine, according to Kyiv."
Ukraine Celebrates Russia Losing '5,000 Tanks' in War (newsweek.com)
FINISH THE JOB!
The Ukrainians, sacrificing their lives fighting Russia, have cost Russia over 300,000 casualties (killed or injured) plus half of Russia's tanks were destroyed already. Let them finish the job!
"The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times reported in December 2023 that a declassified U.S. intelligence assessment, shared with Congress, estimated 315,000 Russian personnel had been killed or injured since the start of the invasion, amounting to 87 percent of its prewar force.
"Russia lost 9,557 armored fighting vehicles, of which 120 were destroyed in a single day, along with a total of 29 Russian artillery systems, bringing total losses to 7,012, according to the update."
How Many People Have Died in Russia-Ukraine War? (newsweek.com)
Russian Tank Casualties in Ukraine Hit Dire Milestone (newsweek.com)
I dont pretend to know how this all plays out but do you guys think Ukraine is going to reclaim all or even most of their territory?
It doesn't seem likely to me at this point.
It doesn't seem likely to me at this point.
We would not give them air power, crucial for defeating mass meat wave Russian attacks.
Okay so we are draining them of their precious human prisoner resources and NK of their jank ass weapon resources.
I can think of a few better ways to spend 10's of billions of dollars that we don't have.
Even with help though? Is more money and weapons going to allow Ukraine to win?
I hope I'm wrong and I will gladly come on here and eat crow if and when Ukraine defeats Russia.
Wrong - people like us will never see it either way.
I don't.
But I don't think Russia will be satisfied with what it has.
It really is a double bind.
I think if Russia is appeased it will embolden them with unknown consequences.