Amazon minimum wage increase

[FecalFace]

If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win

Wrong.

Everybody but Amazon workers win.

They are not serfs, they can go somewhere else if they want.

It’s that simple.

Wait, I thought your ilk wanted $15/hour, that’s not enough now?

Again with a bullshit cop out.

We are discussing why Amazon doesn't do the right thing by their current employees, not whether people can go and find another job.

And again, you Ayn Randtards have been going on about how McDonalds type jobs are for kids who live with their parents.

Amazon jobs are not meant for slave teenage labor so working full time for $28k a year is not a living wage, especially if you are planning to "venerate the housewife" and make little Proud Bois.

Again, the largest, richest company in the history of the world.

And as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, with link provided, Amazon wage increase is not all it's hyped to be.
Many workers will be worse off without bonuses and shares even with $15/hr.

 

[Ifallalot]

But I thought $15/hour was what "we" were working for?

More now?

They're paying what the market will bear. The employees did have better options to share in the profits of the company, but everyone was screaming that they were being paid "slave labor" so they lost that too.

 

[FecalFace]

But I thought $15/hour was what "we" were working for?

More now?

They're paying what the market will bear. The employees did have better options to share in the profits of the company, but everyone was screaming that they were being paid "slave labor" so they lost that too.

So they will be now making less and that's better how?

That will show them not to "scream" about living wage.

 

[StuAzole]

If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win

Wrong.

Everybody but Amazon workers win.

Why don't Amazon workers go get better paying jobs then?

Are you telling me that there are no other options in Washington or California or Texas?

I don't understand your line of reasoning.

We are talking about Amazon jobs, not other, better paying jobs.

You can't talk about "Amazon jobs" without talking about the labor market as a whole. Amazon pays what it needs to pay to get the workers they need. That's it. Bezos' net worth plays no part in that. I'm with you on a lot of stuff, but this is basic economics.

 

[StuAzole]

But I thought $15/hour was what "we" were working for?

More now?

They're paying what the market will bear. The employees did have better options to share in the profits of the company, but everyone was screaming that they were being paid "slave labor" so they lost that too.

So they will be now making less and that's better how?

That will show them not to "scream" about living wage.

You use that term like is means something, but you don't actually look to what it means. I posted a link earlier to living wages all over the US. Amazon pays more than a living wage, and in some places, by quite a bit.

 

[FecalFace]

But I thought $15/hour was what "we" were working for?

More now?

They're paying what the market will bear. The employees did have better options to share in the profits of the company, but everyone was screaming that they were being paid "slave labor" so they lost that too.

So they will be now making less and that's better how?

That will show them not to "scream" about living wage.

You use that term like is means something, but you don't actually look to what it means. I posted a link earlier to living wages all over the US. Amazon pays more than a living wage, and in some places, by quite a bit.

Explain what type of lifestyle makes $2500 a month a living wage.

Living on coupons and happy meals?

Ever wonder why the wages have been stagnating for decades?

You think that wage stagnation and the rich getting richer are just two coincidental events?

 

[StuAzole]

But I thought $15/hour was what "we" were working for?

More now?

They're paying what the market will bear. The employees did have better options to share in the profits of the company, but everyone was screaming that they were being paid "slave labor" so they lost that too.

So they will be now making less and that's better how?

That will show them not to "scream" about living wage.

You use that term like is means something, but you don't actually look to what it means. I posted a link earlier to living wages all over the US. Amazon pays more than a living wage, and in some places, by quite a bit.

Explain what type of lifestyle makes $2500 a month a living wage.

Living on coupons and happy meals?

Ever wonder why the wages have been stagnating for decades?

You think that wage stagnation and the rich getting richer are just two coincidental events?

You're mixing issues now. There are multiple reasons Bezos can get richer while the majority of us stay where we are.

But, the term "living wage" means something specific. Amazon's $15/hour is better than a living wage for a single employee. It's not Amazon's responsibility to make sure every one of their workers is living their best life though. They offer employment and people apply for the jobs. Seattle has a record number of open jobs right now. Amazon will pay exactly what it needs to in order to attract workers, just like every other business out there.

 

[FecalFace]

Amazon will pay exactly what it needs to in order to attract workers, just like every other business out there.

And if all they offer is sh!t, people will take it if they're desperate.

Does that make it right?

Market is paying what it's paying because they can get away with it and don't give a sh!t because the're getting richer and there's "no legal obligation" to do otherwise.

Welcome to wage stagnation.

We are having two parallel discussion here.

 

[StuAzole]

Amazon will pay exactly what it needs to in order to attract workers, just like every other business out there.

And if all they offer is sh!t, people will take it if they're desperate.

Does that make it right?

Market is paying what it's paying because they can get away with it and don't give a sh!t because the're getting richer and there's "no legal obligation" to do otherwise.

Welcome to wage stagnation.

We are having two parallel discussion here.

There are record numbers of job openings today. Why are they so desperate to take that Amazon job? I get you want fairness, but you can't pinpoint what a fair wage is? How much more do the lowest end of Amazon's employees deserve to make? If you give them raises, don't you have to give middle-management raises too? And above them too? Are VP's at amazon underpaid? Would it be fair to give them more? Where do you draw the "fair" line?

Your issue doesn't seem to be with Amazon, it's with the entire economic system in place today. That's fine, but that's not Bezos' fault either. He was operating under the same rules as me and you.

 

[FecalFace]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

 

[Ifallalot]

"There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got
Think while you still have me
move while you still see me
you'll be lost
and you'll be sorry
when I'm gone"

 

[Ifallalot]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

So now its not just wages it is benefits too

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" amirite?

 

[FecalFace]

"There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got
Think while you still have me
move while you still see me
you'll be lost
and you'll be sorry
when I'm gone"

Ayn Rand?

 

[StuAzole]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

So now its not just wages it is benefits too

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" amirite?

Sorta how I'm reading all this too. Amazon and Bezos aren't his problem, they're just a symptom.

 

[Ifallalot]

"There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got
Think while you still have me
move while you still see me
you'll be lost
and you'll be sorry
when I'm gone"

Ayn Rand?

Jesus Christ Superstar

Afoaf got me listening to that again when he posted Caiaphas last week

 

[FecalFace]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

So now its not just wages it is benefits too

Yes.

Bezos can afford it.

He built his richest on the backs of his workers.

 

[Ifallalot]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

So now its not just wages it is benefits too

Yes.

Bezos can afford it.

He built his richest on the backs of his workers.

That's so simplistic and basically incorrect

 

[StuAzole]

There are record numbers of job openings today.

Yeah, lot of sh!t jobs with no bennies.

#MAGA

So now its not just wages it is benefits too

Yes.

Bezos can afford it.

He built his richest on the backs of his workers.

He built his riches on his own back too.

Did any of those workers spend decades on the business? Did any invest their own money early on and risk it all? Come up with a revolutionary business model?

Our economic system is flawed for sure, but it's not on Bezos to fix it.

 

[Mr Doof]

I bought a lot of amazon stock so I could see the break up happening.

Down $115 today.

Hopefully you bought 3-5 yrs ago.

 

[Ifallalot]

Amazon is just the devil