Amazon minimum wage increase

StuAzole

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And?

We've been over this here before. The "Amazon workers need food stamps" headline was misleading at best.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amazon-employees-food-stamps/
 

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StuAzole said:
And?

We've been over this here before. The "Amazon workers need food stamps" headline was misleading at best.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amazon-employees-food-stamps/
I never made any claim for or against Amazon. If I understand your post, Amazon already pays more than all states' welfare eligibility limits except Ohio's. Still, the welfare those 12% of employees are receiving is money supporting Amazon's labor requirement in Ohio.

I was thinking more about home health care workers, fast food workers, delivery drivers, night watchpersons, landscapers, caretakers and a fairly large number of other low-paying occupations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/when-work-isnt-enough-to-keep-you-off-welfare-and-food-stamps/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6fe62c813b8d
 

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Worth a read: https://nypost.com/2018/10/09/break-up-amazon-before-it-does-any-more-damage-to-america/

Break up Amazon before it destroys our economy?
That's ludicrous.

A big company =/= monopoly.

If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win
 

StuAzole

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StuAzole said:
And?

We've been over this here before. The "Amazon workers need food stamps" headline was misleading at best.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/amazon-employees-food-stamps/
I never made any claim for or against Amazon. If I understand your post, Amazon already pays more than all states' welfare eligibility limits except Ohio's. Still, the welfare those 12% of employees are receiving is money supporting Amazon's labor requirement in Ohio.

I was thinking more about home health care workers, fast food workers, delivery drivers, night watchpersons, landscapers, caretakers and a fairly large number of other low-paying occupations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/when-work-isnt-enough-to-keep-you-off-welfare-and-food-stamps/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6fe62c813b8d
So are you saying the companies are at fault for hiring low-earning employees and paying them market rates? The reason they earn low pay is because they do jobs that anyone can do. A landscape firm will pay what they need to pay to get the job done. If there's a glut of workers, the pay reflects that. If there's a shortage, pay reflects that (see current ag jobs, which pay quite a bit above minimum wage). I don't get the claim you're making.
 

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As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".

Also see: Yvon Chouinard
 

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FecalFace said:
Autoprax said:
As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".
Not so. I've said several times that I think it's smart business to pay more than market and that employee retention is way more valuable that most companies think.

The business reality, however, is that how much the CEO doesn't really play a part in determining how much factory workers will take home. At $15/hour, Amazon is voluntarily well above minimum wage.

I asked before - how much more would he need to pay for it to be "fair"? Do only the lower level employees get this "fair" pay, or does everyone at the company get the same bump? And what about other companies that are already struggling to compete with Amazon and can't afford to be as generous? Won't Amazon just end up stealing their workers with their higher wages?



 

StuAzole

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FecalFace said:
ifallalot said:
If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win
Wrong.

Everybody but Amazon workers win.
Why don't Amazon workers go get better paying jobs then?

Are you telling me that there are no other options in Washington or California or Texas?
 

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StuAzole said:
FecalFace said:
Autoprax said:
As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".
Not so. I've said several times that I think it's smart business to pay more than market and that employee retention is way more valuable that most companies think.

The business reality, however, is that how much the CEO doesn't really play a part in determining how much factory workers will take home. At $15/hour, Amazon is voluntarily well above minimum wage.

I asked before - how much more would he need to pay for it to be "fair"? Do only the lower level employees get this "fair" pay, or does everyone at the company get the same bump? And what about other companies that are already struggling to compete with Amazon and can't afford to be as generous? Won't Amazon just end up stealing their workers with their higher wages?
2019 overall economic growth is project to be 7%. Cost/Wage increase projected at 2%. Corporations are still estimated to make a healthy gross margin.
 

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stu dog said:
StuAzole said:
FecalFace said:
Autoprax said:
As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".
Not so. I've said several times that I think it's smart business to pay more than market and that employee retention is way more valuable that most companies think.

The business reality, however, is that how much the CEO doesn't really play a part in determining how much factory workers will take home. At $15/hour, Amazon is voluntarily well above minimum wage.

I asked before - how much more would he need to pay for it to be "fair"? Do only the lower level employees get this "fair" pay, or does everyone at the company get the same bump? And what about other companies that are already struggling to compete with Amazon and can't afford to be as generous? Won't Amazon just end up stealing their workers with their higher wages?
2019 overall economic growth is project to be 7%. Cost/Wage increase projected at 2%. Corporations are still estimated to make a healthy gross margin.
OK. And?
 

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StuAzole said:
FecalFace said:
ifallalot said:
If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win
Wrong.

Everybody but Amazon workers win.
Why don't Amazon workers go get better paying jobs then?

Are you telling me that there are no other options in Washington or California or Texas?
I don't understand your line of reasoning.

We are talking about Amazon jobs, not other, better paying jobs.
 

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StuAzole said:
FecalFace said:
Autoprax said:
As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".
Not so. I've said several times that I think it's smart business to pay more than market and that employee retention is way more valuable that most companies think.

The business reality, however, is that how much the CEO doesn't really play a part in determining how much factory workers will take home. At $15/hour, Amazon is voluntarily well above minimum wage.

I asked before - how much more would he need to pay for it to be "fair"? Do only the lower level employees get this "fair" pay, or does everyone at the company get the same bump? And what about other companies that are already struggling to compete with Amazon and can't afford to be as generous? Won't Amazon just end up stealing their workers with their higher wages?
$28,000 a year for a full time job, working for the biggest company in the world, with a richest CEO in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD, doesn't constitute a living wage.







 

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StuAzole said:
stu dog said:
StuAzole said:
FecalFace said:
Autoprax said:
As a shareholder I encourage Jeff to be nice to his workers.
It is possible to be a capitalist and have conscience.

Some apparently think that capitalism rules out fairness because fairness is not a "legal requirement".
Not so. I've said several times that I think it's smart business to pay more than market and that employee retention is way more valuable that most companies think.

The business reality, however, is that how much the CEO doesn't really play a part in determining how much factory workers will take home. At $15/hour, Amazon is voluntarily well above minimum wage.

I asked before - how much more would he need to pay for it to be "fair"? Do only the lower level employees get this "fair" pay, or does everyone at the company get the same bump? And what about other companies that are already struggling to compete with Amazon and can't afford to be as generous? Won't Amazon just end up stealing their workers with their higher wages?
2019 overall economic growth is project to be 7%. Cost/Wage increase projected at 2%. Corporations are still estimated to make a healthy gross margin.
OK. And?
$15/hr minimum wage is not going to hurt amazon. they can afford more too. + benefits. irregardless of Bezo's wealth. it's Wall St holding them back thinking ever hit to Margin/EPS is a bad thing.
 

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FecalFace said:
ifallalot said:
If the consumers are paying the lowest prices, we all win
Wrong.

Everybody but Amazon workers win.
They are not serfs, they can go somewhere else if they want.

It’s that simple.

Wait, I thought your ilk wanted $15/hour, that’s not enough now?