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Aging Shredders + Lack of weight-training
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Apropos of nothing, whenever I see your avatar I think Leo Carrillo.I forgot, am I for or against stretching?
That’s the spot. I have three photos of myself surfing. That was one. One of those guys who give their business card when you get to the beach. I was on a 7-7 twin fin.
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I was there for a couple of days during the ‘code red’ swell last summer. Fun wave except for the crowd and how tight the takeoff spot is.
Lifting weights will I increase punching power since punching power comes from the thighs and trunk and lesser so the chest. I think when most people think of "lifting weights" they think of gym bros doing curls, shrugs and bench pressing. Most people who consider themselves experts think squats and deadlifts are "leg day".I agree, but by the same token, you must know that for decades upon decades fighters were advised to avoid lifting weights. And in a lot of circles, still are. I got in trouble for it. It used to be common advice. It's not like I'm making it up.
Why Lifting Weights Won’t Increase Punching Power (expertboxing.com)
This article is a little more even handed.
Do Boxers Lift Weights & Should They? Strength Training For Boxing - Sweet Science of Fighting
Do Boxers Lift Weights When They Train and is it Beneficial? – ShortBoxing
Do Weights Make You Slow? - Boxing Science
My answer is if it is done right, it's beneficial. By the same token, I've seen people that were beasts on a weight pile that had shockingly limp punches. Obviously lifting weights doesn't make up for lousy technique.
The man in my avatar was against weights. Yet he made us do these horrible knuckle pushups on a hardwood floor. Body weight is still weight.
Why Lifting Weights Doesn’t Help Increasing Punching Power (boxingroyale.com)
The argument continues.
People who use the word "weights" are potatoes who have absolutely zero knowledge of what it takes to be physically prepared for anything.
External resistance is the tool used to increase physical stress that causes a strength adaptation. This is easily applied with an implement that is increasingly heavier as the trainee adapts to physical stress....but stress is stress and a big factor in the what how and why of building a training program for an athlete is how sensitive to training stress they are. Good genetics=high sensitivity=strength gains with lower time and stress commitment.
A strong man equal in technique with a weak man will punch harder 100% of the time. It's why genetics decide who gets to be the best at physical sports. Everyone can practice but only very few can get strong without devoting all their physical and mental resources to that end.
Technical practice makes you a better puncher. Technical practice will have a 100 pound guy hit harder than a 200 pound guy. Everything else being equal...strength is the multiplier...hence the PED rules that must be followed.
This really depends. There are time trade-offs between skills development and strength training - there are only so many hours in a week and the young athlete must often choose between strength and skill training. I'm seeing this now in my oldest son with basketball, which is probably the most skill-dependent sport that needs to be played year-round for best results. The skills take much longer to perfect and is likely the best use of an athlete's time in a skill-dependent sport. Kids want to be kids. It's enough for them to just play. Strength training might really be valuable in their junior and senior years to take it to the next level.
As for boxing, Tyson was a powerful dude but his technique was impeccable which is where most of his power came from. We don't have any evidence that he moved a ton of weight, do we?
That spot can be crowded with five people (especially if one is Shaun Thompson). We would camp there for a week at the end of every summer. There was always an uncrowded window at some point in the day, usually around sunset.
I think the argument being made was missed. Of course, all things being equal. Therein lies the rub. The contention is that people who consistently lift potatoes develop inferior technique due to excessive muscular tension. Antagonistic tension allegedly slows down the technique. A slower technique has an obvious problem with power/physics. Lifting as most "body builders" lift has an especially poor reputation. You can generally tell when facing someone of this ilk within a few seconds. They carry their shoulders high. Tense. Which typically means slow. The scary guys are the ones who are totally loose. They understand where the real power is being generated.
I think we can see from the amount of material generated by both sides of this argument that I ain't making it up. I have decades of training experience re striking. This argument was going on when I walked through the door and it sounds like it is still being made.
I think we can see from the amount of material generated by both sides of this argument that I ain't making it up. I have decades of training experience re striking. This argument was going on when I walked through the door and it sounds like it is still being made.
The Tyson argument. I have heard it said that Tyson didn't lift weights until after his stint in prison for rape. Allegedly, previously, it was all calisthenics and heavy bags. Cus was pretty old school, but I have seen people put up photos of him lifting weights himself to show that he wasn't totally opposed to the concept. I have heard it said that Tyson said weights had about as much to do with punching power as "cheesecake." (or was it Twinkies?) I think he lifted. But the fact that this subject is still a bone of contention bears obvious witness to the durability of this argument.
I have heard it said that lifting potatoes is far more prevalent among heavy weight fighters who obviously don't have to make weight. Which makes some sense.
And I have to say kettlebells have become downright standard equipment for fighters.
I have heard it said that lifting potatoes is far more prevalent among heavy weight fighters who obviously don't have to make weight. Which makes some sense.
And I have to say kettlebells have become downright standard equipment for fighters.
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I don't know that kids need to weight train. There's nothing wrong with it but like you said....he's still developing skills and probably isn't clear on what he needs to do. For an athlete you would sort of need to know their weaknesses before you could adjust training as a part of addressing them. Even then Athletes don't strength train year round. They do it in the off-season usually weeks prior to the beginning of specific skill training (practice). These are competitors that are always looking for an edge no matter how slight. Complementing their skillset with additional strength is always a plus.
His body is all the proof you need. Tyson is a genetically gifted person who probably didn't need to send long hours strength training because he is one of the lucky ones that are highly sensitive to training stress. It's very common in high level athletes. Everyone has that one friend that stays lean and jacked year round while eating pizza and burgers.
There isn't a single high level athlete who hasn't strength trained. Well, maybe except for soccer players. The probably spend their free time doing yoga and being vegans. Training for them would be practicing braiding each others man buns.
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top MMA guys are lifting, yes?
Izzy Adesanya the sports best striker, uses plenty of weight, at least if his training videos are true.
Izzy Adesanya the sports best striker, uses plenty of weight, at least if his training videos are true.
I was surfing on Namotu and the Fijian boat man who was naturally lean and muscular said to me, teasing, "Your muscle is fake because you had to get it in the gym."
Like when some other dude asks "why is that hot girl is with you?" It was an insult that was really a compliment.
But I agree that if you can get good genetics it will really help.
I also think my heavy lifting hindered my paddling.
This is my warning to my oldest son - the way to become an elite athlete is to have elite genetics.
Yes. The guy who just kicked Izzy's ass used weights as well. Not exactly standard WL routine, but he did pick some slightly heavy sh!t up and set it down. Boxing and MMA are two vastly different sports.
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For sure.
Not a bad comparison though seeing as those were the two elite strikers (kickboxers) in the sport.
Does Canelo lift?
GGG?
Not a bad comparison though seeing as those were the two elite strikers (kickboxers) in the sport.
Does Canelo lift?
GGG?
They all do and they always have as part of normal training. I wouldn’t bet money on Tyson Fury though. There hasn’t been a good heavyweight fighter in 20 years and I think he’s just naturally big and good enough to keep beating the cans they put in front of him.
Age-lowered testosterone decreases exercise benefit. Depletion of adrenal DHEA is the cause.
DHEA supplementation is a viable workaround It doesn't just provide testosterone, it provides collagen, estrogen for women, aldosterone for strong teeth and bones, etc. .....DHEA, the age vitamin.
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