10 Myths About Lower Back Pain (LBP)

[One-Off]

Can you elaborate on this some more? I'm with Kaiser at the moment.

I'm with Anthem, but to give you an example, this is the pain management group I was referred to-

Synovation Medical Group

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However, all the MDs and PTs really told me nothing more than I learned here and on my own. It is good to have a professional to answer your questions, though. They prescribed TENS, acupuncture and, if I didn't get better, cortisone. I didn't do any of it.

I'm surprised that the weight training prescription never came up with any of them. When I would ask they all said, "Yeah, that would be good. Wait until you're better before lifting though." None were really informed or enthusiastic about it. Last night when I did the deadlifts the relief was immediate. I should have listened to Havoc.

I hope you can get on the road to recovery.

 

[encladd]

I'd be interested in VM's take on this... WTF is nerve impingement and will dead lifts fix him?? This guy makes tens of millions a year and has the world's best treatment. How does something like this even happen?

REPORT: Ben Simmons To Be Re-Evaluated In 2 Weeks For Back injury

Tests on Sixers star Ben Simmons revealed he suffered nerve impingement in his lower back. He is out for at least two weeks.

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[Bob Dobbalina]

I'd be interested in VM's take on this... WTF is nerve impingement and will dead lifts fix him?? This guy makes tens of millions a year and has the world's best treatment. How does something like this even happen?

REPORT: Ben Simmons To Be Re-Evaluated In 2 Weeks For Back injury

Tests on Sixers star Ben Simmons revealed he suffered nerve impingement in his lower back. He is out for at least two weeks.

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a nerve, impinged upon. Probably something swollen that then impacts the neural canal making for a painful situation?

Just my guess

 

[CutnSnip]

I'm with Anthem, but to give you an example, this is the pain management group I was referred to-

Synovation Medical Group

Synovation Medical Group offers top-quality care through our extensive network of doctors, surgeons and specialists in areas including pain management, physical medicine and rehabilitation, physical therapy and spine care. We have multiple offices throughout Southern California.

www.synovationmedicalgroup.com

They prescribed TENS

I love the TENS machines - 40 bucks from Amazon. Im not sure it does anything but it feels really good. like your own personal spot masseuse.

 

[encladd]

a nerve, impinged upon. Probably something swollen that then impacts the neural canal making for a painful situation?

Just my guess

Well we already established that a trigger point, muscles firing, etc. aren't medical terms, neither is a nerve impingement. So what is it? And will deadlifts fix him!?

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

Well we already established that a trigger point, muscles firing, etc. aren't medical terms, neither is a nerve impingement. So what is it? And will deadlifts fix him!?

I don't have the energy to go back through the whole thread, but are you implying that swelling of tissue can not impact a nerve? Or are we arguing the semantics of the word impingement?

 

[One-Off]

I don't have the energy to go back through the whole thread, but are you implying that swelling of tissue can not impact a nerve? Or are we arguing the semantics of the word impingement?

I’m going to jump in and say it can but even if it does, most times it does not cause pain.

Did you watch those videos I (havoc) posted? They’re a little long but will give you a lot to think about. By the way, they are both MDs speaking so there is that to back them up. Not total quackery, but even MDs don’t know it all.

 

[One-Off]

Just went to see my cardiologist- good news and bad news.

Good news- I asked him about Valsalva, if it incurred cardiac risks? He said no, actually it was beneficial, dilating arteries. Yeah!

Bad News- he said the danger in lifting weights was the rise in blood pressure. He seemed very wary of me lifting weights. He said I should not lift really heavy weights. I have a myocardial bridge- my left anterior artery dips under the cardiac muscle so that in the systolic phase it is partially obstructed (think heart attack) but in the diastolic phase it opens and bloods goes through.

His reaction was the same last year when I told him I was going to run the marathon, which I went ahead and did anyways.

So I'm going to go ahead and lift weights too, but maybe not 2x my body weight. My question for the strength experts is how much do I need to lift to give my back a safety margin for surfing health? Would deadlifting 1x body weight protect me? Just ordered 10 and 20 lb bumper plates. 115 - 125 lbs enough? I weigh 160.

 

[Havoc]

ya take it easy. the amount of weight is not as important as the fact that u r training. sorry to hear about your heart condition. that changes everything. u may want to get in touch with dr. sullivan from greysteel

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for consultation regarding lifting and ur heart issue

that being said this guy is much older than u at 71 and deadlifting 315
http://instagr.am/p/B6B9EzXAimS/
i wouldnt push it unless i consulted with sullivan or baraki or feigenbaum if i was u

 

[Mr J]

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ps I tried to "tense the core" while sitting here and it felt like trying to sh!t. Is that what it's supposed to feel like?

sort of, but there should be less emphasis on trying to expel the contents of your bowels and much more of a feeling of keeping the muscles up the front of your stomach tight - sides should tight too - if you had a weightlifting belt which you put on you should be able to feel all your lower torso tense and brace against it. I'm talking deadlifts and squats here.

For skating and surfing its more of an instantaneous lock the torso at a certain point during a rotational movement of the spine. After I have performed a rotational slide on a flat bank and when I am descending down it in a straight line I do relax. For popping up its making sure the back doesn't arch too much particularly during a explosive paddle surge for the wave.

 

[Mr J]

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I would also like to stress that taking advice from a massage therapist or chiropractor isn’t something I would recommend. Not cooking tips, not oil change and intervals for my car, not advice on how to re-roof the house, proper grass height for mowing, and certainly not advice on how to have a healthy back.

they are not for everybody, but physiotherapists are also on your list of practitioners who you disagree with as you don't believe in some of the things that well established physios have told me and also you have some disagreement with llilibel's physio. So apart from pain specialists who does that leave for advice on things such as back, shoulders and hip flexors? Just gym owners and personal weightlifting coaches?

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

I’m going to jump in and say it can but even if it does, most times it does not cause pain.

Did you watch those videos I (havoc) posted? They’re a little long but will give you a lot to think about. By the way, they are both MDs speaking so there is that to back them up. Not total quackery, but even MDs don’t know it all.

Indeed. Until it does...

Haven't watched them yet

 

[GWS_2]

Kettle bells. M

Just went to see my cardiologist- good news and bad news.

Good news- I asked him about Valsalva, if it incurred cardiac risks? He said no, actually it was beneficial, dilating arteries. Yeah!

Bad News- he said the danger in lifting weights was the rise in blood pressure. He seemed very wary of me lifting weights. He said I should not lift really heavy weights. I have a myocardial bridge- my left anterior artery dips under the cardiac muscle so that in the systolic phase it is partially obstructed (think heart attack) but in the diastolic phase it opens and bloods goes through.

His reaction was the same last year when I told him I was going to run the marathon, which I went ahead and did anyways.

So I'm going to go ahead and lift weights too, but maybe not 2x my body weight. My question for the strength experts is how much do I need to lift to give my back a safety margin for surfing health? Would deadlifting 1x body weight protect me? Just ordered 10 and 20 lb bumper plates. 115 - 125 lbs enough? I weigh 160.

Kettle bells.

Lighter weight. Cheap start up costs. Bells with a pull up/dip bar. Hire a trainer to learn the basic swing movement. I'll commit erBB heresy and say bells will benefit your surfing more than DLing.

 

[VonMeister]

they are not for everybody, but physiotherapists are also on your list of practitioners who you disagree with as you don't believe in some of the things that well established physios have told me and also you have some disagreement with llilibel's physio. So apart from pain specialists who does that leave for advice on things such as back, shoulders and hip flexors? Just gym owners and personal weightlifting coaches?

Well established means nothing.

There are some great physio's out there and it's getting better but as with all fields, by and large the mass follows the curve rather than be in front of it. I can give you a list of buzzwords that should be a red flag for any physio and most of them have appeared in this thread.

 

[VonMeister]

I'd be interested in VM's take on this... WTF is nerve impingement and will dead lifts fix him?? This guy makes tens of millions a year and has the world's best treatment. How does something like this even happen?

REPORT: Ben Simmons To Be Re-Evaluated In 2 Weeks For Back injury

Tests on Sixers star Ben Simmons revealed he suffered nerve impingement in his lower back. He is out for at least two weeks.

clutchpoints.com

"Deadlifts" don't fix everything.

Some of the worst training you'll find happens in the training rooms of professional and college athletics. Why? Because the athletes are so genetically freakish and they are so sensitive to training stress that anything works.

Basketball is an extremely physical sport and to be playing at a NBA level means you were hard on your body for almost all of your life.

Nerve impingement is when some sort body tissue or debris is putting pressure on a nerve that results in constant pain, or pain in certain positions. Generally your body will resolve these issues in a matter of time. We can decrease the time to recovery and improve quality of life during with movement, increases in strength which equals stability, providing comfort, and pain management.

High level athletes get a lot of bad advice from management, team therapists, friends, family, the internet etc etc just like the rest of us. Elite athletes tend to feel they are special (they are) and will not respond to therapy that isn't new and wow and cutting edge and full of buzzwords because if it works for Average Joe how on earth could it be right for them.

 

[VonMeister]

I don't have the energy to go back through the whole thread, but are you implying that swelling of tissue can not impact a nerve? Or are we arguing the semantics of the word impingement?

With regards to lower back, swelling of tissue does not cause nerve impingement.

 

[Havoc]

Kettle bells. M


Kettle bells.

Lighter weight. Cheap start up costs. Bells with a pull up/dip bar. Hire a trainer to learn the basic swing movement. I'll commit erBB heresy and say bells will benefit your surfing more than DLing.

the conditioning translates over well but u dont gain the strength that u can get from barbell training.

 

[Havoc]

btw gws can u do a kb snatch?

 

[VonMeister]

Just went to see my cardiologist- good news and bad news.

Good news- I asked him about Valsalva, if it incurred cardiac risks? He said no, actually it was beneficial, dilating arteries. Yeah!

Bad News- he said the danger in lifting weights was the rise in blood pressure. He seemed very wary of me lifting weights. He said I should not lift really heavy weights. I have a myocardial bridge- my left anterior artery dips under the cardiac muscle so that in the systolic phase it is partially obstructed (think heart attack) but in the diastolic phase it opens and bloods goes through.

His reaction was the same last year when I told him I was going to run the marathon, which I went ahead and did anyways.

So I'm going to go ahead and lift weights too, but maybe not 2x my body weight. My question for the strength experts is how much do I need to lift to give my back a safety margin for surfing health? Would deadlifting 1x body weight protect me? Just ordered 10 and 20 lb bumper plates. 115 - 125 lbs enough? I weigh 160.

I asked my doc and the quick text response is:

Myocardial bridging is a really variable phenomenon; often it is of no real significance, whereas in other cases severe bridging can cause complications. If he's been running marathons for 20 years without chest pain or other cardiac complications it's less likely that this is something worth being concerned about in the context of strength training, but again, this is not individual advice for your friend given the inadequate background information here. Would need individual consultation to tease out more.

 

[VonMeister]

Kettle bells. M


Kettle bells.

Lighter weight. Cheap start up costs. Bells with a pull up/dip bar. Hire a trainer to learn the basic swing movement. I'll commit erBB heresy and say bells will benefit your surfing more than DLing.

How?

I mean, I know surfing is good for being better at surfing, but kettle bell swings don't seem to be a similar skillset.