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Biden just said if I buy an electric car I will save $80 a month on fuel costs.
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You're about 15 years behind in your thinking. Most of the people you refer to look for what I call "urban assault vehicles," 20 year old Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics which are as reliable as a 20 year old car can be and get good mpg. They may be poor but they are not stupid. More than I can say about...
In the last 12 months we’ve let over a million individuals into this country who’s first priority is to purchase a cheap gas guzzler. They are a generation away from caring about green energy. Now is the time to start another cash for clunkers movement to save the planet.
Come on dude are you that dumb? Luckily I didn't misspell something or I would be fuked. Your regional bubble is the west coast where all the 90s gas-guzzling domestic vehicles went to buyers south of the border. The keyword is gasoline-powered cars and trucks. Affordable transportation for people that work in the service industry that is now becoming less affordable to that segment of the population.
Fecal brought up Norway as a prime example to follow.
They have/had tons of fiords to dam up and make hydro-electricity, and did anyway.
We could do the same here in numerous deep valleys. But NO WAY IN HELL is that going to happen with enviro-socialists.
So, it leaves solar and wind and trying to store that energy at night, when wind don't blow and sun don't shine.
Large scale ramping up to replace existing power plants using nat-gas/coal is going to be a challenge in the near future.
Nuclear is going to be as tough or tougher to push as new hydro-electric dams.
EV's aren't going to get as cheap as many think like other electronic devices do over time. Unless they go minimalist on us.
Autos are still durable, life or death products and batteries are not going to get cheaper anytime soon.
In fact they're looking to go up in price quicker than most, due to rare earth minerals in them.
EVs pollute and use more resources when you take into account the whole life cycle of the product
The Hetch Hetchy Valley by John Muir (Sierra Club Bulletin, January, 1908)
The Hetch Hetchy Valley by John Muir (Sierra Club Bulletin, January, 1908) part of Restore Hetch Hetchy, by the Sierra Club Hetch Hetchy Task Force
vault.sierraclub.org
Tear down all the dammed up once beautiful valleys, so we can go back to pre-1900's. It'd be a great achievement.
We'd also need to tear down all the huge cities grown up and out since then, and pave them over with solar panels and windmills just to try to get back that free hydro energy.
We went there a couple of years ago (last time we were in Yosemite, pre pandemic). It has such a weird vibe. You walk through a long tunnel to get to the start of the trail. Then you walk along the edge of the lake which is a deep, deep blue, but not inviting. Somehow ominous. I can't explain it.
Found some photos-
Look at the water's edge in the third photo. Almost looks shopped in. Unnatural. Like it doesn't belong. Weird.
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Looks like just after good rain year. Wonder what it looks like today?
From drought in 2015......
SF Bay area would not exist as it is today without it.
Same can be said about Hoover Dam/Lake Mead for LA's survival today.
Today......
Ya, they don't need no stinking dams.
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Who the fück said anything about hydro power?
You latched onto it and yet can't give any examples of where would you put a dam in Western US.
Hammies mentioned that he couldn't see any solar panels in Arizona, which gets more sunny days than just about any place in the world.
I brought up Norway as an example of a country that has completely committed to renewable energy. The opposite of Arizona. I never mentioned hydro power.
Norway used the resources they have and we are not using resources we have.
There's dozens, if not 100 or more deep valleys where a dam could be built for clean (not free) hydro power.
Just pull up a map of the west. A topographic one is better.
But, instead a finding ways to build new ones, Dems want to tear down existing ones.
So net less sustainable 24/7/365 clean energy sources.
Just pull up a map of the west. A topographic one is better.
But, instead a finding ways to build new ones, Dems want to tear down existing ones.
So net less sustainable 24/7/365 clean energy sources.
Can you please point to a few of the the republican-led hydroelectric proposals the evil Dems are ignoring? I'll wait.
It's so easy to be ifail. Just say sh!t and insist you're correct. 6Th AmEnDmEnT!
Rather than just mock him, I thought I'd post a fun, colorful and informative comparison for him from the super liberal WSJ showing that he's exactly wrong.
Are Electric Cars Really Better for the Environment?
EVs produce fewer emissions overall than their gas-powered counterparts, but there are caveats
Who said anything about Repub led hydro-electric projects? Nice diversion from Dems wanting to remove them.
I just said Dems would rather tear down the ones already in place supplying electricity/water to people 100's of miles away.
They've been unpopular to propose for decades, costing a few $billion to build today.
Not to mention the huge backlash from the enviro-socialist left 24/7/365 if even brought up.
We're lucky they built what they did 50-100 years ago, along with our vast interstate highway/freeway systems we all take for granted today.
The solar powered pumped hydro-electric plants are a cool idea. Kauai has one in the planning stages for the west side. They have a big cliff drop off, with a large fairly flat mesa area above for storage. Not huge, but big enough for Kauai needs (60k residents).
https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/01/kauai-is-moving-forward-on-one-of-the-nations-most-advanced-energy-projects/
Many areas of mainland USA could be building these. Flatland middle America might have a tough time implementing. But anywhere with a large drop-off of a few 100 to 1000 feet could pull it off. It'd need a flat area above and below for storage, and that's about it.
There's at least one new reservoir finally getting the go ahead in Northern Cal.
But it's not hydro-electric. Mostly for water storage. It's only taken more than 20 years to finally get started. Maybe.
