Biden just said if I buy an electric car I will save $80 a month on fuel costs.

Surfdog

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Cell phone addict.

"My screen is only THIS big! Can't handle if it goes off the page"

I try to keep posts to a minimum. Not dozens of tweets a day like some here.

Funny how you have NO PROBLEM with others post that are 2x-3x longer than mine that you might agree with.
 

afoaf

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Cell phone addict.

"My screen is only THIS big! Can't handle if it goes off the page"

I try to keep posts to a minimum. Not dozens of tweets a day like some here.

Funny how you have NO PROBLEM with others post that are 2x-3x longer than mine that you might agree with.
wrong, dipshit

I never post on my phone

you totally missed the point...way over your fkn head....and then typed 200 words of rubbish

WORD RATIO
 

StuAzole

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Who said anything about Repub led hydro-electric projects? Nice diversion from Dems wanting to remove them.
I just said Dems would rather tear down the ones already in place supplying electricity/water to people 100's of miles away.

They've been unpopular to propose for decades, costing a few $billion to build today.

Not to mention the huge backlash from the enviro-socialist left 24/7/365 if even brought up.

We're lucky they built what they did 50-100 years ago, along with our vast interstate highway/freeway systems we all take for granted today.

The solar powered pumped hydro-electric plants are a cool idea. Kauai has one in the planning stages for the west side. They have a big cliff drop off, with a large fairly flat mesa area above for storage. Not huge, but big enough for Kauai needs (60k residents).

https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/01/kauai-is-moving-forward-on-one-of-the-nations-most-advanced-energy-projects/

Many areas of mainland USA could be building these. Flatland middle America might have a tough time implementing. But anywhere with a large drop-off of a few 100 to 1000 feet could pull it off. It'd need a flat area above and below for storage, and that's about it.

There's at least one new reservoir finally getting the go ahead in Northern Cal.
But it's not hydro-electric. Mostly for water storage. It's only taken more than 20 years to finally get started. Maybe.
So in other words, nobody is proposing them, nobody can afford to build them, and nobody actually wants them. But yet, LiBErAlS!

Have you come across any cost/benefit analysis re trading in-place hydro-electric for solar or other options? I assume that if you're this angsty about it, you must have data to show it's a bad move?
 
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StuAzole

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I sure do and I don't see why anyone else wouldn't.
have conservatives proposed any new hydro plants anywhere? Have they been opposed by democrats?

My understanding is that almost all spots in the US suitable for large hydro plants are already built. Am I incorrect?

I also understand that most of the large hydro plants are old, and even those in the hydro industry say they have outlived their purpose and are best torn down.

But, the hyrdo industry and environmentalists also agree that there are many large dams that are purpose-serving (meaning, they shouldn't be torn down) but could be retrofitted to generate hydro power. It's actually a big movement at the moment. The caution from some environmentalists doesn't have any thing to do with salmon, but rather, the fact that hydro plants can produce heavy methane, which may defeat the purpose of this type of "clean" energy.

So I'm having a hard time understanding where the "liberals don't like it" thing is coming from?
 
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plasticbertrand

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You brought up Norway numbNuts. That's how Norway gets almost all of its power. Its also a form of energy the greenie weenies oppose.
I brought up Norway as an example of what can be done, if there's will.
I never mentioned hydro power, you did.

Southwest US is hands down the sunniest place on the planet, the fact that solar panels are not on every building, is bizarre.
 

ElOgro

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I brought up Norway as an example of what can be done, if there's will.
I never mentioned hydro power, you did.

Southwest US is hands down the sunniest place on the planet, the fact that solar panels are not on every building, is bizarre.
Who funds that?
 

plasticbertrand

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EV's aren't going to get as cheap as many think like other electronic devices do over time. Unless they go minimalist on us.
More minimalist than an electric motor? How?

ICE are way more complex.

You are so out of touch, it's not funny anymore.
 

StuAzole

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Yes they have. Some have even been removed or decommissioned.

That’s different. They’re being removed and decommissioned because they’re old and obsolete. I asked about new projects. I also suggested that there’s support for updating Non- producing dams and you seem to have ignored that. Why?
 

ElOgro

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Who funds anything?

What kinda a question is that, lololo
An honest question. Who pays for it is an element of any project. In this case you advocate that each individual warehouse owner cover their roofs with solar panels. So the individual owners pay for it? The utility? Federal/state/municipal government?

Lololo?

Should be easy, there may be other sources for funding but those are the most likely. Thanks in advance!
 

Ifallalot

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I brought up Norway as an example of what can be done, if there's will.
I never mentioned hydro power, you did.

Southwest US is hands down the sunniest place on the planet, the fact that solar panels are not on every building, is bizarre.
It's cost-benefit analysis

If it's cheaper to pay the utility for electricity, why would a company pay more for solar?

You have a point, that's the only reason why I can think these warehouses aren't covered in panels
 

plasticbertrand

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It's cost-benefit analysis

If it's cheaper to pay the utility for electricity, why would a company pay more for solar?

You have a point, that's the only reason why I can think these warehouses aren't covered in panels
Well, this is why the government is subsidizing solar in the US.

While there's initial investment, the long term savings are big, especially for a corporation.
Also, sometimes it's a right thing to do.

Around here solar car ports are pretty common at hotels and medical buildings and unlike Arizona, we have clouds, June Gloom and Gray May.

So Arizona is just being dumb, as always.
Texas too.

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