I do surf with my shaper, when he gives me a little deal, I will gladly take it. I was just saying I don't ask go out of my way asking for deals. I realize how tough it is to make a living making boards as it is. I try and do art/logo trades with local shapers. I haven't surfed a contest in 35 years so I'm not getting the "team" discounts anymore that's for sureI don't ask for deals, they've been extended quite often as is probably the case with many members here if you surf well and are surfing in the same circles as shapers or their brand's reps. It's kind of a marketing tool for them and they'll offer discounts to entice someone to try their shapes.