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GWS_2

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Ventura is not the suburbs though I suppose like all of SoCal its being swallowed by the LA metroplex.
You're wrong. I have all kinds of neighbors who work in LA and commute to Ventura. Hell I have a lot of neighbors who work in Santa Barbara and commute to Ventura. Mostly because you can still buy a house here for less than a million bucks.
 

casa_mugrienta

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There is not sprawl here.
And those high rises will prevent sprawl once you get the commuter train.

Throw that high speed rail right over Casa de Rice.

Work in SF, live in Morro Bay.

I don't think tall buildings reduce greenhouse gases. This makes no sense at all.
They're the first step in having more people live in one place so they can rely on public transport and bicycles and not own cars.

SEE: California's plan for greenhouse gas reducing "transportation corridors."

Woke dudes like you know all about this stuff.

So, greatly increase the population? And then hope that jobs for these people will follow? That's the opposite of how it usually works.
No, you're not getting it.

You need to imagine the possibilities.

A new high speed rail turns your hillside hamlet into a viable place for people who work in SF to establish themselves.

Live in M. Bay, work around the SF Bay.

The good thing is you're not a NIMBY, you're a progressive, so you won't try to stall these projects.

BRING ON THE HIGH RISES.

We do not usually take the bus for outings.
Criminal.
 

bird.LA

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You're wrong. I have all kinds of neighbors who work in LA and commute to Ventura. Hell I have a lot of neighbors who work in Santa Barbara and commute to Ventura. Mostly because you can still buy a house here for less than a million bucks.
Ventura = town on outskirts of LA metro area. SGV + SFV = suburbs of LA.

I do not envy your neighbors' commutes.
 

GWS_2

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And I guess I can respect the "fvck everybody else but me" thing.

It's honest.

How about we reach a compromise?

Everybody that wants higher gas prices, when you buy gas, tell the attendant to ring you up for double your purchase. Instead of 20 gallons, pay for 40.

See?

Can't we all just get along? :cool:
 

GWS_2

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Ventura = town on outskirts of LA metro area. SGV + SFV = suburbs of LA.

I do not envy your neighbors' commutes.
You're not listening.

We have become the suburbs of LA.

As much as I hate it, it's the truth. What the Valley was in the 80's, that's what we are now.

Lancaster as well.

There are a ton of people that live in that hole and commute to central Los Angeles for work.

When a tool shed costs a million bucks and you teach school for a living, you do what you have to I guess.
 

casa_mugrienta

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What other part do you think was a bigger factor?
Lack of housing post WWII comes to mind first.

Why do you think people live in suburbs today? (Other than that gas is cheap.)

The number one thing I hear, all the time, is "I want my kids to have a yard."

Aside from that

Urban living comes with a variety of challenges and politics that drive people to - and away - from them.

Noise, pollution, urban runoff, changes in zoning, etc.
 

bird.LA

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You're not listening.

We have become the suburbs of LA.

As much as I hate it, it's the truth. What the Valley was in the 80's, that's what we are now.

Lancaster as well.

There are a ton of people that live in that hole and commute to central Los Angeles for work.

When a tool shed costs a million bucks and you teach school for a living, you do what you have to I guess.
I see what you're saying. It's not really the traditional definition of suburbs Sharkbiscuit and casa were talking about though IMO.
 

bird.LA

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Lack of housing post WWII comes to mind first.
Yes, but why was that housing built in new suburbs?



The number one thing I hear, all the time, is "I want my kids to have a yard."

Aside from that

Urban living comes with a variety of challenges and politics that drive people to - and away - from them.

Noise, pollution, urban runoff, changes in zoning, etc.
American-style suburbs are unique to North America.
 

GWS_2

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lol!

SLO is 85% white.

1% black.

Literally.

Most of the 1% are probably Cal Poly students that are in on a hall pass.

Outside of a KKK cross burning, I don't know of anyplace whiter.

How did we get on the racial tangent?

Oh yeah. People move to the suburbs to get away from the blacks.

At least they did in 1965.

Now they just want to own a house someplace where you don't have to be a millionaire to afford the house and the property taxes.
 

casa_mugrienta

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lol!

SLO is 85% white.

1% black.

Literally.

Most of the 1% are probably Cal Poly students that are in on a hall pass.
DUDE.

I can think of at least 3 taco shops offhand in the MB area alone.

One of them being Taco Temple. (!)

And if you want to live on the wild side there's tacos El Viejon.

It's uber-diverse up there!
 

Sharkbiscuit

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And I guess I can respect the "fvck everybody else but me" thing.

It's honest.

How about we reach a compromise?

Everybody that wants higher gas prices,
When a tool shed costs a million bucks and you teach school for a living, you do what you have to I guess.
From what I've read, the gas tax hike went to pay defined benefits obligations for...drumroll....California teachers. When you don't pay 2x as much for gas, should your kids get a teacher half as qualified?

Lots of people think commuters in the US waste fossil fuel and have a "fvck everybody else but me" thing.

I'd argue "fvck everybody else but me" is the GOP way.