Your pretty energy transition is going to hell.

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Yeah, and..?

I keep wondering why all this efficient energy requires government subsidies, and needs to be forced upon us(?)
Innovation comes at a cost.

There are a lot of dead ends.

But you got to do it because at some point something will hit.

Have you considered moving to China?

They are not down with innovation.

They have to steal from the US
 

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You’re speaking in generalities.

Everything comes at a cost.

If this particular innovation is so awesomely efficient, why is non-government money not flocking to finance it?
By what you are saying I can tell you don't understand the nature of innovation.

I guess that ignorance is the well spring from which your beloved conservative mindset emanates?
 
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Autoprax

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You can’t answer the question.

How many of the things that you own or use are the end result of government financed innovation?
1945: Doppler radar
The critical tool for weather forecasts is courtesy of funding from the National Science Foundation (NSF).

1945: The flu shot
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) developed the first flu vaccination.

1946: MRIs
Magnetic resonance was first used to study atomic nuclei in 1946, with the help of grants from the NSF, before being used for medical diagnoses.

1958: Microchips
Invented to help the military target missiles, microchips are now found in just about every electronic device.

1971: Closed captioning
Workers at the National Bureau of Standards identified part of a TV broadcasting spectrum that was large enough to transmit text, which led the agency to caption a 1971 TV episode.

1974: Barcodes
The NSF funded the development of barcodes starting in 1974, when engineer George Laurer created the very first one.

1977: Modern Goodyear tires
The material used to make Goodyear’s tires came out of a partnership with NASA, which first used the material in parachutes to land objects on Mars.

1980: Modern wind energy
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) created the gas-turbine engines used by many wind farms.

1990: Genetic tracing services
DNA services like 23andMe and Ancestry.com rely on science that was funded by the Department of Energy and NIH, building on the work of the Human Genome Project, led by the same agencies.

1992: Smartphones
An offshoot of mini cameras used in NASA spacecraft, the image sensors are used in smartphones, webcams and digital single-lens reflex cameras; University of Delaware researchers made touch screens with funding from the Central Intelligence Agency and NSF.

1993: GPS
The idea for global positioning systems began as a defense tool, and evolved into a 24-satellite system used for commercial GPS services.

1993: The Internet
Starting in 1973, the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) experimented with ways to link computers, which led to the ARPANET in 1977. By the 1980s, the NSF took over most internet-related funding, eventually allowing public access to the network in 1993.

1998: Google
The NSF funded the Digital Library Initiative to index websites in the early days of the Internet; the NSF and CIA went on to fund the research of Stanford graduates Sergey Brin and Larry Page, whose algorithm became Google.

2004: Self-driving cars
The first self-driving cars were used in 2004, after DARPA director Anthony Tether offered a $1 million prize to anyone who could create a driverless car that could navigate a 142-mile course.

2011: Siri
Digital voice assistants owe a debt to DARPA, which gave $22 million to SRI in the 2000s, the earliest blueprint for a startup called Siri, which was later purchased by Apple.

2020: The Moderna coronavirus vaccine
Previous DARPA awardee Moderna created the vaccine in collaboration with the government’s Operation Warp Speed program, part of an incredible effort to develop, manufacture, and distribute hundreds of millions of doses within a year.
 

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1945: Doppler radar
The critical tool for weather forecasts is courtesy of funding from the National Science Foundation (NSF).

1945: The flu shot
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) developed the first flu vaccination.

1946: MRIs
Magnetic resonance was first used to study atomic nuclei in 1946, with the help of grants from the NSF, before being used for medical diagnoses.

1958: Microchips
Invented to help the military target missiles, microchips are now found in just about every electronic device.

1971: Closed captioning
Workers at the National Bureau of Standards identified part of a TV broadcasting spectrum that was large enough to transmit text, which led the agency to caption a 1971 TV episode.

1974: Barcodes
The NSF funded the development of barcodes starting in 1974, when engineer George Laurer created the very first one.

1977: Modern Goodyear tires
The material used to make Goodyear’s tires came out of a partnership with NASA, which first used the material in parachutes to land objects on Mars.

1980: Modern wind energy
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) created the gas-turbine engines used by many wind farms.

1990: Genetic tracing services
DNA services like 23andMe and Ancestry.com rely on science that was funded by the Department of Energy and NIH, building on the work of the Human Genome Project, led by the same agencies.

1992: Smartphones
An offshoot of mini cameras used in NASA spacecraft, the image sensors are used in smartphones, webcams and digital single-lens reflex cameras; University of Delaware researchers made touch screens with funding from the Central Intelligence Agency and NSF.

1993: GPS
The idea for global positioning systems began as a defense tool, and evolved into a 24-satellite system used for commercial GPS services.

1993: The Internet
Starting in 1973, the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) experimented with ways to link computers, which led to the ARPANET in 1977. By the 1980s, the NSF took over most internet-related funding, eventually allowing public access to the network in 1993.

1998: Google
The NSF funded the Digital Library Initiative to index websites in the early days of the Internet; the NSF and CIA went on to fund the research of Stanford graduates Sergey Brin and Larry Page, whose algorithm became Google.

2004: Self-driving cars
The first self-driving cars were used in 2004, after DARPA director Anthony Tether offered a $1 million prize to anyone who could create a driverless car that could navigate a 142-mile course.

2011: Siri
Digital voice assistants owe a debt to DARPA, which gave $22 million to SRI in the 2000s, the earliest blueprint for a startup called Siri, which was later purchased by Apple.

2020: The Moderna coronavirus vaccine
Previous DARPA awardee Moderna created the vaccine in collaboration with the government’s Operation Warp Speed program, part of an incredible effort to develop, manufacture, and distribute hundreds of millions of doses within a year.
Can you briefly tell us the microchip story?
 
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Can you briefly tell us the microchip story?
No, but the thing about innovation is you are mostly going to fail, which will bias most away from trying to innovate.

I mean, look at you. Not only do you not want to innovate, you don't want a system that helps others to try and innovate.

But the society needs innovation and is smart to try to cultivate it.

 
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How many of the things that you own or use are the end result of government financed innovation?
holy sh!t, how fkn naive are you?

you are clothed, housed, fed, and entertained by myriad chemicals, materials, devices, and processes that are directly derived from government funding
 
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I wonder what percentage of superchargers in the Bay Area have been subjected to that type of vandalism?
 

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I wonder what percentage of superchargers in the Bay Area have been subjected to that type of vandalism?
Could be a lot. Elon is basically Hitler, and Tesla is representative of everything that has changed the culture of SF. Once Trump is out of the picture Elon will inherit all of the derangement.
 
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Could be a lot. Elon is basically Hitler, and Tesla is representative of everything that has changed the culture of SF. Once Trump is out of the picture Elon will inherit all of the derangement.
Disagree. Elon told JK Rowling to maybe find something else to do other than carry on about the trannies on the twitters. I think (very slowly) people are understanding he's just his own South African flavor of eccentric billionaire who is never told "no" and doesn't really have the same filter calibration.

IMHO if Trump's successor is JD Vance or Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz, they'll be the new liberal public enemy number one. Otherwise, if it's Nikki Haley, the knives will come out on the left.

Put me down for this is druggies surface mining, not disgruntled leftists. Unless this happens to pumps at gas stations I'd consider that proof to the contrary.