We don't have a supply chain problem, we have a leadership problem.

Ifallalot

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what policies?

what are you even trying to say anymore, man?

playing chicken with tariffs was super good for Americans!

jacking up the deficit with tax cuts for the top brackets was super good for Americans!

ratfucking the early response to Covid when you admittedly know it's 1) airborne, 2) more deadly than the flu, but want to 3) protect your poll numbers was SUPER FKN GOOD FOR AMERICANS

honk honk goes your clown nose!
You're still dancing around the real issue

Keep going

The early response to COVID was not the damaging one, it was the late and ongoing response to it

IF IT SAVES ONE LYFE!!!
 

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You're still dancing around the real issue

Keep going

The early response to COVID was not the damaging one, it was the late and ongoing response to it

IF IT SAVES ONE LYFE!!!
all of which is apropos of nothing when it comes to supply chain issues

you have the most reactionary and simplistic grasp of the topic

is Pete Buttigieg, the politician who doesn't matter to my day to day life, going to do something to staunch the spiked demand for imported goods by online shoppers?

Biden does have an infrastructure bill which includes upgrades to the overloaded system delaying the offloading of goods in East Coast ports. I'm sure you're 110% supportive of the Biden infrastructure bill since you care so much about throughput at the ports.

I can't wait to see your thread celebrating the Department of Transportation's free tuition program for people attending truck driving schools since a driver shortage seems to be extremely problematic....
 

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One aspect: Delays at ports mean truckers wait in longer lines and therefore are not being paid an hourly wage that meets minimum wage.

In recent years, California’s labor commissioner’s office has awarded more than $50 million to some 500 truckers who claimed they were deprived of wages through misclassification as contractors rather than employees. At the same time, many truckers have shied away from working as employees, preferring to own and operate their own vehicles.

But as the pandemic has driven supply chain snarls, port drivers have voiced growing frustration at a loss of income as they wait in hours-long lines at the ports — time for which they would be compensated if they were employees.
 

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all of which is apropos of nothing when it comes to supply chain issues

you have the most reactionary and simplistic grasp of the topic

is Pete Buttigieg, the politician who doesn't matter to my day to day life, going to do something to staunch the spiked demand for imported goods by online shoppers?

Biden does have an infrastructure bill which includes upgrades to the overloaded system delaying the offloading of goods in East Coast ports. I'm sure you're 110% supportive of the Biden infrastructure bill since you care so much about throughput at the ports.

I can't wait to see your thread celebrating the Department of Transportation's free tuition program for people attending truck driving schools since a driver shortage seems to be extremely problematic....
I already said Pete Bootygig is immaterial to this,

Online shopping was going on far before the pandemic, to blame this on that rather than people being stopped from working is ludicrous

But judging on how you get and process your information this isn't surprising

Are we talking about the core infrastructure bill, or the one doubled by social engineering pork? And what possibly makes you think glacial government throwing money at an acute problem is going to do anything to fix it? So we get the upgrades in 2026?
 

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thank you for reaffirming that you don't understand the underlying causes of the east and west coast port issues
 

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You know, the militantly unvaxxed aren't working, they love the free market, and we DO have a lack of cheap/free labor... seems like we have a temporary solution... :unsure:
yup. it all works out.

on a side note, i'm enjoying seeing labor flex, at the moment. not a bad thing, imo. also enjoying watching management - small business owners in particular - struggle to deal with it. a business owner who thinks paying for billboards like this makes more sense than improving wages/conditions in a highly competitive labor market doesn't deserve to thrive.

 
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also enjoying watching management - small business owners in particular - struggle to deal with it.
There are businesses out there that have a good company culture and pay their employees fairly- do you enjoy watching those types of businesses struggle as well?
 
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There are businesses out there that have a good company culture and pay their employees fairly- do you enjoy watching those types of businesses struggle as well?
fairly is a relative term. if they have a good company culture and pay their employees well, they won't be struggling with labor problems.

in my entire working life, the management/labor paradigm has been: you are expendable. you need us more than we need you.
it does not bother me to see that turned upside down, particularly in light of the substantial 2018 tax cuts that did not seem to benefit the employees in any significant way.
 

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fairly is a relative term. if they have a good company culture and pay their employees well, they won't be struggling with labor problems.

in my entire working life, the management/labor paradigm has been: you are expendable. you need us more than we need you.
it does not bother me to see that turned upside down, particularly in light of the substantial 2018 tax cuts that did not seem to benefit the employees in any significant way.
I don't disagree with most of this. . . . Work culture has become toxic. I'm all for the labor market asserting itself and it's long overdo.

Unfortunately from what I've seen, lower-to-mid management is basically at the mercy of the owners/board/cfo/hr etc in terms of what they are willing to pay and budge on, and are basically told to eat sh!t and make it work.

Case in point, friend of mine is mid-management for a university dining and has been stuck working insane late hours for BS alumni circle jerk events because she can't get the help, so it falls on her to see the events through and mop the floors at the end of the night. She's probably the most liberal person I know and would gladly pay the kids more if she could, but she has no say in that matter. Those are the type of people who are eating sh!t in this labor market, and who's misery you are applauding :poke:
 

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I don't disagree with most of this. . . . Work culture has become toxic. I'm all for the labor market asserting itself and it's long overdo.

Unfortunately from what I've seen, lower-to-mid management is basically at the mercy of the owners/board/cfo/hr etc in terms of what they are willing to pay and budge on, and are basically told to eat sh!t and make it work.
I'm not applauding your friend's misery but her misery is a necessary part of this paradigm shift. She sounds like she works for somebody like ARA or some other institutional catering outfit? And it's likely her upper management team are paid quite well - not necessarily fairly, but well - because they have enjoyed substantial disproportionate pay increases over the last decade or two (partially by holding down labor costs). But these problems will trickle upward and it's likely your friend also has options now that she did not have a year or two ago...and when she has had enough and leaves, and her company can no longer meet the performance metrics of their contract, hopefully something will have to shake loose at the top and trickle back down - as it should.
 
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I'm not applauding your friend's misery but her misery is a necessary part of this paradigm shift. She sounds like she works for somebody like ARA or some other institutional catering outfit? And it's likely her upper management team are paid quite well - not necessarily fairly, but well - because they have enjoyed substantial disproportionate pay increases over the last decade or two (partially by holding down labor costs). But these problems will trickle upward and it's likely your friend also has options now that she did not have a year or two ago...and when she has had enough and leaves, and her company can no longer meet the performance metrics of their contract, hopefully something will have to shake loose at the top and trickle back down - as it should.
She doesn't work for a catering outfit. Some universities call it the "regents" or the "corporation", but it's basically a non-profit wing of the university admin that manages all of the vending, and all of the workers are state employees. However it is basically run like a for profit corporation, even though the students are stuck there and aren't going to travel a mile out of their way to save 50 cents on a cup of coffee :roflmao: The bean counters have basically baked low pay into the budget like you mentioned above, so getting any kind of reasonable pay increase is like steering the titanic.

I do agree that it should be a good thing in the long run, but in the short-to-medium term its the loyal employees who are eating sh!t through all of this by having to pick up the slack. I see this whenever I have to take my car in for service, buy groceries, go to a restaurant, etc. I also think that there are a lot of business owners that are riding this out and hoping that the market stabilizes and they can go back to treating and paying their employees like dirt. Hopefully not, but I can see them playing chicken with it.
 

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fairly is a relative term. if they have a good company culture and pay their employees well, they won't be struggling with labor problems.

in my entire working life, the management/labor paradigm has been: you are expendable. you need us more than we need you.
it does not bother me to see that turned upside down, particularly in light of the substantial 2018 tax cuts that did not seem to benefit the employees in any significant way.
Employee ownership. I worked for an emloyee owned tech corp for many years. It's amazing what a few hundred shares of stock does to the us-vs-them mentality.
 

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Employee ownership. I worked for an emloyee owned tech corp for many years. It's amazing what a few hundred shares of stock does to the us-vs-them mentality.
Right - employee ownership is a terrific alternative example to the traditional coporate model. A rising tide should lift all boats. Here's another nontraditional comp model... they laughed at this guy, called him a socialist, doomed him to failure etc but he really broke the mold for corporate pay scales and you can be certain he has no labor problems ATM.