Today it's the Confederate monuments, tomorrow...

[Woke AF]

The differences is, the missions weren't built in the 1920's. The missions weren't built to send the message that some of these statues, erected decades after the south lost the civil war, were designed to send to certain residents of the south.

The missions represent the part of history, both the good and bad of it, that they were built in.

That being said, I'm not sure we should do away with statues of civil war leaders either.

Perhaps we could just repurpose them as toilets.

What was the good part for the missions? They slaughtered and enslaved Indians at a horrific rate. That's like looking at the good done in Nazi concentration camps.

I don't think that's true, at least not in CA's missions. I'm not praising the Jesuits, Franciscans, or Dominicans, but I don't think they slaughtered or enslaved in great numbers.

I have gone through a few reports and my small sample says forced labor, conversion, and re-education into non indigenous living was the norm. Great numbers? Not sure the Indian population would be considered large.
There was a lot of CA Indian slaughter when the Americans stating coming here.

Actually by that time there weren't very many of them left.After the missions were done the Mexicans took over and continued. More history they didn't teach you in school no doubt

Hey man my researchers were 12 years old and unpaid.

 

[ratfink]

The differences is, the missions weren't built in the 1920's. The missions weren't built to send the message that some of these statues, erected decades after the south lost the civil war, were designed to send to certain residents of the south.

The missions represent the part of history, both the good and bad of it, that they were built in.

That being said, I'm not sure we should do away with statues of civil war leaders either.

Perhaps we could just repurpose them as toilets.

What was the good part for the missions? They slaughtered and enslaved Indians at a horrific rate. That's like looking at the good done in Nazi concentration camps.

I don't think that's true, at least not in CA's missions. I'm not praising the Jesuits, Franciscans, or Dominicans, but I don't think they slaughtered or enslaved in great numbers.

The Padres didn't just show up in Mexico and the Southwest unattended. The Spanish Army plowed the way in.

 

[ratfink]

The missions represent the part of history, both the good and bad of it, that they were built in.

That is a familiar quote.


What quote does my statement remind you of?

It's a response by nearly every average Joe trying to keep the historic statues and monuments in their parks and public spaces.

When you start erasing history, where do you stop? Who gets to make that call? A bunch of marauding asshats in masks?

 

[GDaddy]

So I guess the statues of the union soldiers who invaded and made war on the south will also need to come down, too. 'Cause, feelings. The Union statues make the southerners feel unsafe, but taking the statues down will make things better.

We have Americans of German, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese extraction in the U.S., so all that sht has to come down. 'Cause, feelz.

 

[sirfun]

Roof removed flag !! )

Goof removed statues !! )

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-mayor-greg-fisher-on-confederate-monuments-and-compassion/

 

[Kento]

There's a solution to make just about everyone happy.

Acknowledge Civil War history by burning Georgia to the ground one more time just for good measure.

 

[sirfun]

Roof removed flag !! )

Goof removed statues !! )

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-mayor-greg-fisher-on-confederate-monuments-and-compassion/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-kentucky.html

 

[sirfun]

Roof removed flag !! )

Goof removed statues !! )

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-mayor-greg-fisher-on-confederate-monuments-and-compassion/

Mayor touches great points on healthcare at end of interview !! )

 

[Ifallalot]

The differences is, the missions weren't built in the 1920's. The missions weren't built to send the message that some of these statues, erected decades after the south lost the civil war, were designed to send to certain residents of the south.

The missions represent the part of history, both the good and bad of it, that they were built in.

That being said, I'm not sure we should do away with statues of civil war leaders either.

Perhaps we could just repurpose them as toilets.

You are 100% correct here. The only thing I would add is that the statues are monuments to traitors

 

[FecalFace]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

 

[Lance Mannion]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

Maybe they should, just to remind the world what kind of shitheaded behavior socialism breeds.

 

[sirfun]

Roof removed flag !! )

Goof removed statues !! )

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-mayor-greg-fisher-on-confederate-monuments-and-compassion/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-kentucky.html

another one bites the dust !! )

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-nc-protesters-pull-down-confederate-statue/2017/08/14/9126bd70-8150-11e7-9e7a-20fa8d7a0db6_story.html

its like the guillotine and the French Revolution !! )

 

[FecalFace]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

Maybe they should, just to remind the world what kind of shitheaded behavior socialism breeds.

Except you are an idiot who doesn't understand words.

You picked on socialist but you left out nationalist part, why?

Nationalism and racism were much bigger part of what Nazis were about than socialism.

You conveniently overlook sh!t like that because you and the righties spew nationalist racist garbage daily.

 

[hal9000]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

This

 

[Ifallalot]

Roof removed flag !! )

Goof removed statues !! )

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-mayor-greg-fisher-on-confederate-monuments-and-compassion/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-kentucky.html

another one bites the dust !! )

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-nc-protesters-pull-down-confederate-statue/2017/08/14/9126bd70-8150-11e7-9e7a-20fa8d7a0db6_story.html

its like the guillotine and the French Revolution !! )

Every ruler in the world should always heed the warning of the guillotine. We the people should celebrate it

 

[Lance Mannion]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

Maybe they should, just to remind the world what kind of shitheaded behavior socialism breeds.

Except you are an idiot who doesn't understand words.

You picked on socialist but you left out nationalist part, why?

Nationalism and racism were much bigger part of what Nazis were about than socialism.

You conveniently overlook sh!t like that because you and the righties spew nationalist racist garbage daily.

I was being polite by not singling out InterNational Socialists who, when it comes to murder and mayhem, make National SOCIALISTS look like little girls (no offense to the little girls in the audience).

 

[Billy Ocean]

Socialists are like women who insist they are right even when all objective evidence points to the contrary

 

[FecalFace]

Socialists are like women who insist they are right even when all objective evidence points to the contrary

Guess who defeated Hitler fucktards?

Hitler fought communists on many fronts and lost.

Apparently being a nationalistic racist fvck was more important to him than being a "socialist".

 

[Lance Mannion]

Socialists are like women who insist they are right even when all objective evidence points to the contrary

This is the reasoning behind most of this statue removal and history whitewashing.
If you can't refute it, make it disappear.
Socialists worldwide have been doing it for a lot of years.

 

[Gnudz]

Should Germans have left swastikas on their fascist monuments?

It's all part of the history, right?

I've played that gig.

It was probably a good idea to get rid of the swaztikas but I'm glad they didn't tear down the whole thing.