The Electoral College

[GDaddy]

Are you saying that the founders set up the process so that rural areas would not be under-represented?

It's obvious to anyone without an opposing political agenda that the founders set up the process to protect people in rural areas from being subjected to tyrany from the majority.

.....taxes on growing crops and cattle ....draconian restrictions on land use a la Obama royal edicts.
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Lulz.

Tariffs though, that'll fix things!

You're not actually wrong on the Framers, but you do leave out the part where they were in fact the large land owners being protected from the urban masses. Today, I'm told that the elites all live in liberal urban areas - shouldn't they be protected from the unwashed masses then?

But that's not the minority that the EC protects these days, is it?

 

[StuAzole]

Are you saying that the founders set up the process so that rural areas would not be under-represented?

It's obvious to anyone without an opposing political agenda that the founders set up the process to protect people in rural areas from being subjected to tyrany from the majority.

.....taxes on growing crops and cattle ....draconian restrictions on land use a la Obama royal edicts.
.

Lulz.

Tariffs though, that'll fix things!

You're not actually wrong on the Framers, but you do leave out the part where they were in fact the large land owners being protected from the urban masses. Today, I'm told that the elites all live in liberal urban areas - shouldn't they be protected from the unwashed masses then?

But that's not the minority that the EC protects these days, is it?

Nope. But if we want to keep with the Founders' intent, it should.

 

[hal9000]

People who frame the argument that the electoral college system protects the "less populated" and "rural" states have it all wrong. While that may be conventional wisdom, and is technically rooted in some historical fact, this frame is objectively incorrect. The electoral college system was put in place to protect the slave states from the northern states, which had a higher voting population. Virginia would have had the highest total population at the time if slaves were counted, and VA was afraid that the south would be overshadowed by the northern states. Hence, the 3/5 compromise.

But don't take my word for it, take James Madison's word for it.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/electoral-college-slavery-constitution

Madison, now known as the “Father of the Constitution,” was a slave-owner in Virginia, which at the time was the most populous of the 13 states if the count included slaves, who comprised about 40 percent of its population.

During that key speech at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Madison said that with a popular vote, the Southern states, “could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”

Madison knew that the North would outnumber the South, despite there being more than half a million slaves in the South who were their economic vitality, but could not vote. His proposition for the Electoral College included the “three-fifths compromise,” where black people could be counted as three-fifths of a person, instead of a whole. This clause garnered the state 12 out of 91 electoral votes, more than a quarter of what a president needed to win.

and

http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

and

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-racial-history-of-the-electoral-college-and-why-efforts-to-change-it-have-stalled

 

[Billy Ocean]

Sore losers to infinity

The rules are the rules

They are known

If you had a platform that didn’t insult most people in most places, you’d have no problem

Stop hatin and bring something positive to the table, or keep losing

 

[hal9000]

The framing of "some Americans are winners and some are losers" says a great deal about the political discourse of the times. It relies on the fact that, for some people to get what they want, others must "lose" or suffer.

This is not what America is supposed to be.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

 

[hal9000]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

What other country uses the system we use?

 

[test_article]

Are you saying that the founders set up the process so that rural areas would not be under-represented?

It's obvious to anyone without an opposing political agenda that the founders set up the process to protect people in rural areas from being subjected to tyrany from the majority.

.....taxes on growing crops and cattle ....draconian restrictions on land use a la Obama royal edicts.
.

USA Urban population, 1790: 201,655
USA Rural population, 1790: 3,727,559


https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

 

[Mike_Jones]

Are you saying that the founders set up the process so that rural areas would not be under-represented?

It's obvious to anyone without an opposing political agenda that the founders set up the process to protect people in rural areas from being subjected to tyrany from the majority.

.....taxes on growing crops and cattle ....draconian restrictions on land use a la Obama royal edicts.
.

USA Urban population, 1790: 201,655
USA Rural population, 1790: 3,727,559


https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

Slavery, rural, urban ....The electoral college was designed to protect minority areas from tyranny of the majority. Period.

It works.
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[Autoprax]

Kind of like gay lock down

But we all need to work together to keep it together.


Remember, god wired guys to want to screw other guys so we all go extinct.

He also made us eat grain so we would go extinct too.

He's tricky.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

What other country uses the system we use?

Your presentation of the above question is an attempt to work off a fallacious argument (Autoprax should have ID'd the fallacy but didn't) "EFF NOONE ELSE DUZ IT IT MUZ BE NO GOOD"

but

There are electoral colleges in use in political systems all over the world. A few of them are used to elect PMs or presidents. Others use to elect representatives.

 

[Mike_Jones]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

What other country uses the system we use?

Your presentation of the above question is an attempt to work off a fallacious argument (Autoprax should have ID'd the fallacy but didn't) "EFF NOONE ELSE DUZ IT IT MUZ BE NO GOOD"

but

There are electoral colleges in use in political systems all over the world. A few of them are used to elect PMs or presidents. Others use to elect representatives.

Yeah, prime minister's are usually elected by legislators. It's much less of a popular election than our electoral college.
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[FecalFace]

If you had a platform that didn’t insult most people in most places, you’d have no problem

Stop hatin and bring something positive to the table, or keep losing

WTF drugs are you taking?

I guess you've never heard Trump speak or tweet.

Fucktard. Literally.

 

[FecalFace]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

No I want 80,000 people in 2 states to pick a president for the rest of us.

Majority of people live in coastal areas, what's the problem with majority deciding elections?

 

[FecalFace]

If the states were truly sovereign, EC would make sense.

Like this, we have a hysterical man-baby for a president, picked by a few people in the mid-West, who's fvcking up everything for the majority of Americans.

 

[test_article]

Are you saying that the founders set up the process so that rural areas would not be under-represented?

It's obvious to anyone without an opposing political agenda that the founders set up the process to protect people in rural areas from being subjected to tyrany from the majority.

.....taxes on growing crops and cattle ....draconian restrictions on land use a la Obama royal edicts.
.

USA Urban population, 1790: 201,655
USA Rural population, 1790: 3,727,559


https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

Slavery, rural, urban ....The electoral college was designed to protect minority areas from tyranny of the majority. Period.

It works.
.

Show me that math for 1790.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Same dumbass debate again.

If you want the president to be determined by residents of the Northeast Corridor, Florida, and Los Angeles then do away with the electoral college.

I know some of you lefties would like this (and that's why you keep pushing the idea...power) but it's a pretty dumb fucking way to run a country.

No I want 80,000 people in 2 states to pick a president for the rest of us.

Majority of people live in coastal areas, what's the problem with majority deciding elections?

The vast majority of the country lives east of the Mississippi - why not just have them vote instead?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

The bottom line is we have half a continent of land with diversity in economic resources from coast to coast. Not to mention diversity in culture and even diversity within political factions. Population density is tilted towards the east but still distributed to through the interior major population centers from coast to coast.

There are no other large countries similar in this sort of distribution in population density - China, Russia, Australia all have population centers defined solely to one area of the country (something like over 90% of the population of China lives in eastern China...the reverse for Russia) and Australia is almost entirely coastal.

 

[StuAzole]

None of the above matters. The EC works fine, but only if it's truly representative of current voting populations. The less it represents the people, the more the people will want to change it.

 

[manbearpig]

Except sans EC it’s not regions deciding whose elected, it’s the people. Where the major concentration of people live is irrelevant.