Question for the HR people

casa_mugrienta

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If it was super easy for an employer to fire someone without getting sued there wouldn't be much of a need for HR and all those background checks. These days every employee that sucks is angling for how they can sue their employer when their shittiness finally catches up with them.
Yup.

Or employee has a history of violence or is a sex offender... he batters another employee or sets up a camera in the bathroom... and you hired him.

Kiss your business and your assets goodbye.
 

Bob Dobbalina

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If it was super easy for an employer to fire someone without getting sued there wouldn't be much of a need for HR and all those background checks. These days every employee that sucks is angling for how they can sue their employer when their shittiness finally catches up with them.

Yeeeaaahhh... That's totally why those laws are in place. Management and ownership NEVER tries to exploit their labor...
 

sizzld1

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Yeah, no. Employment laws are designed to protect employees from discrimination, retaliation, and a host of other seriously fvcked up issues. They are important. Unfortunately, like any civil law, they can also be taken advantage of and the threat of costly litigation is often enough for employers to settle cases that have no real merit. With that said, it's really not that hard to document when an employee screws up, give them a warning and a chance to correct and then fire them when they don't. If you do those things and your reasons for the firing are legitimate, the fired employee will stand no chance in court.
 

Ifallalot

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Yeah, no. Employment laws are designed to protect employees from discrimination, retaliation, and a host of other seriously fvcked up issues. They are important. Unfortunately, like any civil law, they can also be taken advantage of and the threat of costly litigation is often enough for employers to settle cases that have no real merit. With that said, it's really not that hard to document when an employee screws up, give them a warning and a chance to correct and then fire them when they don't. If you do those things and your reasons for the firing are legitimate, the fired employee will stand no chance in court.
Nope

All anyone has to do is cry "discrimination" and there you go

Most companies don't want to go to court because it is cheaper to settle, and that POS that got fired will end up getting cash anyway

They are important, yes, but the pendulum has swung too far towards being able to easily take advantage
 

Bob Dobbalina

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Also sounds like an argument for why companies should be paying more in wages. If it's cheaper to pay people to NOT work, perhaps we value their labor more...
If you'e hire-able you're fire-able. Both employer and employee should be able to part ways at any time and for any reason in a free country.

Cool story, bro.
 

sizzld1

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Nope

All anyone has to do is cry "discrimination" and there you go

Most companies don't want to go to court because it is cheaper to settle, and that POS that got fired will end up getting cash anyway

They are important, yes, but the pendulum has swung too far towards being able to easily take advantage
Maybe you should have read what I was responding to? Context is key. While employment laws may have gone too far (debatable and not necessarily true just because assholes take advantage of them), it doesn't mean you should be able to fire anyone at anytime for any reason.
 

$kully

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If you'e hire-able you're fire-able. Both employer and employee should be able to part ways at any time and for any reason in a free country.

What if someone like say iFall got fired for being Proud Boi?
 

GromsDad

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West of the Atlantic. East of the ICW.
What if someone like say iFall got fired for being Proud Boi?
That would be up to his boss. Here's the thing, If iFall is valuable as an employee, and if his extra-curricular activities are not affecting his performance on the job it should be all good. If his boss is such a SJW that he fires him over that issue despite good job performance, iFall is probably better off in the long run. An employer shouldn't be forced to keep anyone employed.
 

sizzld1

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So an employer should be able to fire you for your privately held political beliefs? How about skin color? Age? Should he/she be able to fire you for refusing their advances? How about firing you because you are about to secure your pension? How far down the path of stupidity are you willing to go?
 
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ElOgro

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So an employer should be able to fire you for your privately held political beliefs? How about skin color? Age? Should he/she be able to fire you for refusing their advances? How about firing you because you are about to secure your pension? How far down the path of stupidity are you willing to go?
There was a story in the Mexican news today about a new hire guy that won a large screen tv at the company Christmas party and promptly quit.

I worked 2 1/2 years in Mexico City as a project manager and HR was a fvckin nightmare.
 

$kully

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So an employer should be able to fire you for your privately held political beliefs? How about skin color? Age? Should he/she be able to fire you for refusing their advances? How about firing you because you are about to secure your pension? How far down the path of stupidity are you willing to go?

What about wacked out kooky hateful religious beliefs?

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Lance Mannion

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So an employer should be able to fire you for your privately held political beliefs? How about skin color? Age? Should he/she be able to fire you for refusing their advances? How about firing you because you are about to secure your pension? How far down the path of stupidity are you willing to go?
Sounds like The Google.
 

hammies

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So an employer should be able to fire you for your privately held political beliefs? How about skin color? Age? Should he/she be able to fire you for refusing their advances? How about firing you because you are about to secure your pension? How far down the path of stupidity are you willing to go?
Maybe for politics, no for skin color. Age is probably the most rampant discrimination of all.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/can-you-be-fired-for-your_b_9154066?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALgxkuWHDm7ZnMPEdnQKFWVX39BjYHMB6mAgHwaFWaojnX6DkSpqSRScEss9CcsNURnoPUljlWbMir1y5ZVVFeN4p_aNGKPktbhiISIU3ASdBdg-0wM7GnLzhzD0LYpxrT124uNadgaaVXXuX8t75wsN3w5TtZL0TNgruizI5MgY
 

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I can remember several times where people went to HR when they most definitely needed to lighten up and didn’t get anywhere with their complaint.