Meanwhile, at the Manafort trial......

[manbearpig]

Like I said, the trump groupies were all about “draining the swamp” until it started to include their team. Then it’s all hands on deck to defend the swamp.

 

[FecalFace]

Good luck proving any of those speculative assumptions.

It's all the MSM has, had and continues to go on, speculative assumptions.

I've never claimed I know the facts. You seem to know everything though.

I'm just answering your claim that for the Russian collusion to be a crime there has to be evidence that the interference had an effect on the election results.

Which is bullshit.

It is BS, and should be treated as such until facts of the case present themselves. But MSM speculation is treated as fact (since the election), and that's where all this has gone so wrong. Trump is already convicted according to most on the left, all based on unsubstantiated "leaks" and what-ifs.

Nobody said that Trump is a criminal. Not even MSNBC.

There's plenty of evidence that he's a con man and a scumbag.

That's the difference you're failing to see.

Also, nice fact evasion.

 

[sussle]

As I mentioned months ago about him, his troubles are more with the IRS for tax fraud and other financial BS, than any of the original intents of Mueller's investigation.

What are you basing these conclusions on?

Manafort belongs in an IRS court for what's been brought forward so far, and most evidence speculated on at this point. Being an "inductee" of the Mueller investigation is just a desperate side-show to provide some weak form of legitimacy. Only reason he's a "big catch" at this point, is because he worked for Trump as campaign chairman a few months before being let go for his liabilities. Poor choice on Trump's part, but criminal?

You didn't answer his question.

If you've paid any attention to the prosecutions side so far in this hearing, you'd see that's all they got at this point.

We'll wait and see what they produce, but so far, not a hell of lot of spying and Russia collusion to alter the 2016 election, if any.

does not matter:

The Trump Tower meeting clearly fits established definitions of “conspiracy to defraud the United States.” In early June, Trump Jr. received an email explaining that a Russian government official wanted to provide his father’s campaign with incriminating documents and information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump." Trump Jr. replied, "if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” The June 9 meeting was confirmed two days earlier, on June 7. That night, Trump announced that he would “give a major speech” in the next week to discuss “all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons.”

On the face of it, Trump Jr. was approached by a foreign government seeking to influence an American election. Trump Jr. welcomed the possibility of influence, and candidate Trump’s actions, while circumstantial, indicate that he intended to make use of that information. It is irrelevant, in conspiracy law, that Trump Jr. found the information ultimately worthless, or as Trump said, that “it went nowhere.”

 

[FecalFace]

We'll wait and see what they produce, but so far, not a hell of lot of spying and Russia collusion to alter the 2016 election, if any.

What happened to this "fact"?

Why does it matter if the collusion altered the elections or not?

Let's see you evade again.

 

[Surfdog]

ALL politicians are con men and scum bags.

Trump is no different, just coming from business instead of politics, and he's putting his own personal outsider stamp on being the used car salesmen like most others are.

Look at most all previous presidents the last 50+ years. Since TV and now worse, social media, they all have to be cheerleaders and claimers to the point of obnoxiousness.

Show me one well seasoned politician that's NOT a con man or scum bag at a certain level. Some are more, some are less, but most are showmen first, and "for the people", second. They're ALL "for the people", and that's how they got there.

 

[Surfdog]

As I mentioned months ago about him, his troubles are more with the IRS for tax fraud and other financial BS, than any of the original intents of Mueller's investigation.

What are you basing these conclusions on?

Manafort belongs in an IRS court for what's been brought forward so far, and most evidence speculated on at this point. Being an "inductee" of the Mueller investigation is just a desperate side-show to provide some weak form of legitimacy. Only reason he's a "big catch" at this point, is because he worked for Trump as campaign chairman a few months before being let go for his liabilities. Poor choice on Trump's part, but criminal?

You didn't answer his question.

If you've paid any attention to the prosecutions side so far in this hearing, you'd see that's all they got at this point.

We'll wait and see what they produce, but so far, not a hell of lot of spying and Russia collusion to alter the 2016 election, if any.

does not matter:

The Trump Tower meeting clearly fits established definitions of “conspiracy to defraud the United States.” In early June, Trump Jr. received an email explaining that a Russian government official wanted to provide his father’s campaign with incriminating documents and information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump." Trump Jr. replied, "if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” The June 9 meeting was confirmed two days earlier, on June 7. That night, Trump announced that he would “give a major speech” in the next week to discuss “all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons.”

On the face of it, Trump Jr. was approached by a foreign government seeking to influence an American election. Trump Jr. welcomed the possibility of influence, and candidate Trump’s actions, while circumstantial, indicate that he intended to make use of that information. It is irrelevant, in conspiracy law, that Trump Jr. found the information ultimately worthless, or as Trump said, that “it went nowhere.”

Trump got a chance for better "dirt" than the DNC tried to "manufacture" on him from THEIR foreign sources. It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there. Except Trump won when he supposedly had no chance in hell, and the previous admin couldn't have that. "They" (Obama admin, State Dept, FBI) invested so much in Hillary to carry the ball, there was no turning back.

 

[Autoprax]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

 

[hal9000]

Reminder: Gates already copped a plea deal in exchange for a lighter sentence. All has to do is answer every question truthfully. It’s funny how fast these guys all flip on each other.

 

[Surfdog]

Reminder: Gates already copped a plea deal in exchange for a lighter sentence. All has to do is answer every question truthfully. It’s funny how fast these guys all flip on each other.

And so far, it's all based on financial dealings years ago, well before 2016 and any hint of Trump running for office.

 

[Surfdog]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

If there was "more" of actual substance, if would've been leaked by now.

So many "bombshells", but so few actual bombs.

Or maybe I should say most all have "bombed out"?

 

[manbearpig]

2015 and 2016 aren’t well before 2016 buddy.

 

[manbearpig]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

If there was "more" of actual substance, if would've been leaked by now.

So many "bombshells", but so few actual bombs.

Or maybe I should say most all have "bombed out"?

So all you have to base that on is assumption

 

[Surfdog]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

If there was "more" of actual substance, if would've been leaked by now.

So many "bombshells", but so few actual bombs.

Or maybe I should say most all have "bombed out"?

So all you have to base that on is assumption

Hey, if it's par for the course for the MSM, who says I can't speculate too?

Goose/Gander. It's all everyone else is doing here. okestick:

I'm just going on what's obvious. No more, no less.

 

[rice]

It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there.

What are you talking about? 30K Clinton/Podesta emails were stolen by Russian and released by Wikileaks.

 

[Surfdog]

It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there.

What are you talking about? 30K Clinton/Podesta emails were stolen by Russian and released by Wikileaks.

Did Trump order that? Why didn't they release the e-mails stolen, so we could see their relevance? Obama's admin oversaw all this stuff, and did nothing, until Trump became a real threat, and then their worst nightmares came true.

 

[Autoprax]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

If there was "more" of actual substance, if would've been leaked by now.

What are you basing this conclusion on?

Not leaking doesn't automatically mean they ain't got nothing.

It might mean what you are saying, but it might not.

That is a big assumption you are making.

 

[FecalFace]

Mueller runs a tight ship.

Ain't no leakage there, unlike the White House.

 

[Surfdog]

"It didn't pan out, and pretty much ended there."

How do you know this?

Do you have access to all of evidence that RM's got?

If there was "more" of actual substance, if would've been leaked by now.

What are you basing this conclusion on?

Not leaking doesn't automatically mean they ain't got nothing.

It might mean what you are saying, but it might not.

That is a big assumption you are making.

Just as much as the assumptions you've made that he's a psychopath, evil incarnate, guilty as charged and worse.

I guess the selective "leaking" is just to keep everyone speculating then right?

Sources say......

Until the next news cycle of the week.

Even Mueller has scolded everyone for reporting BS of his "findings". That goes in one ear and out the other of the MSM.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Mueller runs a tight ship.

Ain't no leakage there, unlike the White House.

Is that why he hired Strzok who in addition to being literally Satan texted more than a teenage girl?

 

[FecalFace]

Mueller runs a tight ship.

Ain't no leakage there, unlike the White House.

Is that why he hired Strzok who in addition to being literally Satan texted more than a teenage girl?

What part of Mueller investigation did Strzok leak?

And do you have a GIF to prove it?