It looks like Biden's ATF murdered Bryan Manilowski

[Sharkbiscuit]

AGAIN, Why would the founding fathers have used an argument against keeping and bearing arms to justify the edict "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? They wouldn't, and they didn't. Your "militia" clause cannot, and does not, mean what you say it means.
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You should get in your time machine and tell them that before they pass the Militia Act of 1792.

When you're done with that, be sure to swing by Monticello or wherever Thomas Jefferson is, and tell him he's not allowed to say the US is not a Christian nation when he's negotiating with the radical islamic terrorists.

 

[plasticbertrand]

Where is your admission of the facts of this case?
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We don't know the facts yet.

But you already made a conclusion.

 

[StuAzole]

AGAIN, Why would the founding fathers have used an argument against keeping and bearing arms to justify the edict "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"? They wouldn't, and they didn't. Your "militia" clause cannot, and does not, mean what you say it means.
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Five types of gun laws the Founding Fathers loved

A leading historian of constitutional thought says the contemporary Second Amendment debate is founded on serious misunderstandings.

theconversation.com

 

[Mike_Jones]

Saying that registering a gun takes your rights away, is like saying that registering a car prevents you from owning or driving a car. Preposterous.

What is the purpose of registering firearms if not to confiscate them later?

Ask Adolph Hitler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Germany

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Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records about purchasers of guns, with serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

The 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons, which came into force the day after Kristallnacht,[12][13] effectively deprived all Jews living under Nazi rule of the right to possess any form of weapons, including truncheons, knives, firearms and ammunition. Exceptions were made for Jews and Poles who were foreign nationals under §3 of the act.[14] Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[9]

On the whole, gun laws were actually made less stringent for German citizens who were loyal to Nazi rule and more restrictive for Jews.
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Registration IS confiscation.
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[Ifallalot]

You keep blaming the government, as though they have the motivation to fuck with you for no reason.

Government exists to keep the balance between people like you, who think they're entitled to do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences for the rest of the population, and the people like me.

They are doing a shitty job but not for the reasons you state.

Saying that registering a gun takes your rights away, is like saying that registering a car prevents you from owning or driving a car. Preposterous.

The government absolutely has the motivation to fuck us, they need us to fund them and keep us under control

People like you are willing to end any type of freedom in order to fulfill some theorized utopia; the people in government who enrich themselves love having constituents like that because you’ll support them until you’re a slave

Do you think you can own or drive an unregistered car? What are you trying to say here? What do you think registering a car does? Is it for our protection or for control?

 

[Mike_Jones]

We don't know the facts yet.

But you already made a conclusion.

What did I title this thread? The facts so far point to murder. Is there exculpatory evidence? If there is then Biden's ATF is hiding it. Why would an accused person hide facts which prove his innocence? He would not unless there were none.
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[Mike_Jones]

You should get in your time machine and tell them that before they pass the Militia Act of 1792.

When you're done with that, be sure to swing by Monticello or wherever Thomas Jefferson is, and tell him he's not allowed to say the US is not a Christian nation when he's negotiating with the radical islamic terrorists.

Neither of the TWO militia laws which you refer to outlaw personal firearm ownership in any way.

Parts of the Constitution other than the 2nd Amendment provide for the militia. The 2nd Amendment references the citizen soldier premise introduced in those clauses to justify an armed citizenry.
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[Kento]

Gun laws only started as a way to give government the upper hand. Remember, they all came from Prohibition

what do you think government will do with that registration information? It takes multiple rights from us

Strategically warehouse kitty litter stockpiles in the areas where the most bloodshed is likely to occur?

 

[hammies]

Article 1, Section 8:
[The Congress shall have Power...]
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Sounds like Congress totally runs the Militia, with the exception of appointing officers and training.

This is the Militia the 2A refers to; there is no other mention of any other militia in the Constitution.

 

[plasticbertrand]

What is the purpose of registering firearms if not to confiscate them later?

Did government confiscate your car yet?

Or is that also going to be "later"?

 

[Ifallalot]

Did government confiscate your car yet?

Or is that also going to be "later"?

Look up civil asset forfeiture

Or the myriad of ways government uses car registration for tracking down people correctly or incorrectly

Remember, law enforcement = government

 

[Mike_Jones]

Did government confiscate your car yet?

Or is that also going to be "later"?

1. The purpose of cars is not to kill people.

2. There are legitimate reasons and needs for law abiding citizens to kill people.
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[plasticbertrand]

1. The purpose of cars is not to kill people.

2. There are legitimate reasons and needs for law abiding citizens to kill people.
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There are legitimate reasons why we need gun laws too.

Not everybody is a gun turd.

 

[plasticbertrand]

Look up civil asset forfeiture

Or the myriad of ways government uses car registration for tracking down people correctly or incorrectly

Remember, law enforcement = government

That's the point of registration, to be able to trace weapons used in crimes.

Whether it's traced correctly or incorrectly, that another matter altogether.

 

[Ifallalot]

That's the point of registration, to be able to trace weapons used in crimes.

Whether it's traced correctly or incorrectly, that another matter altogether.

I know. And it will be abused and used incorrectly

The track record of the government shows us they’re not to be trusted, even if the idea sounds like a good and noble one

 

[Mike_Jones]

There are legitimate reasons why we need gun laws too.

Not everybody is a gun turd.

And we have gun laws. Foreigners, violent felons and crazy people can't have guns.

Not everybody is a Nazi.
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[plasticbertrand]

I know. And it will be abused and used incorrectly

The track record of the government shows us they’re not to be trusted, even if the idea sounds like a good and noble one

Like I said, government efficiency is another matter.

I'm glad that we at least agree on the idea.

 

[plasticbertrand]

And we have gun laws. Foreigners, violent felons and crazy people can't have guns.

Not everybody is a Nazi.
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What?

Literally every mass shooting was committed by a crazy person with a legally obtained gun.

 

[Autoprax]

Gun nuts are a trip

 

[Mike_Jones]

What?

Literally every mass shooting was committed by a crazy person with a legally obtained gun.

I thought your point was that laws keep people who shouldn't have firearms from getting them. If your statement is correct then it proves that your point is wrong.

So stealing your parent's gun is "legally obtaining" it? A licensed psychiatrist or law enforcement agency failing or refusing to report crazy people and convicts to the NICS database and they proceed to buy firearms and shoot up children ......and somehow those firearms are "legally obtained?"

Bullshit.

The list of mass shooters who were legally prohibited from buying firearms is virtually endless. Laws don't keep criminals from obtaining guns, but they do keep law abiding citizens from defending themselves.
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