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[afoaf]

You cannot create equality with inequality.

Like GDaddy said, egalitarianism and equality, not equity. The only way to have true equality is to have the broadest set of terms imaginable without special treatment

so your answer is to do nothing about inequality?

you may not like it, but laws were enacted to ensure egalitarian outcomes going forward
and to make up for folks who had been disadvantaged by the previous, unequal system.

That’s actually not what it’s about anymore

It’s about “diversity” being a compelling interest

This is what all of the affirmative action Supreme Court cases say

we cant' discriminate on the basis of race because....diversity?

 

[FecalFace]

Love it when white men claim that discrimination is no more.

 

[Phi1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs

Yeah, I can't tech on this site, apparently. I'd skip to the 5:30 mark.

Some interesting points from this video:

The more "capitalist" thought on business (and applied to society too) those who are more successful earn a bigger share giving them an advantage. The less successful underdog can either go out of business or innovate and overcome that disadvantage. But the odds are against that happening. Power and wealth will naturally flow to the top.

We can't all be millionaires, there is a finite amount of money. The fact that there are those that have way more than they could ever need means there are thousands living with much less.

Conservative thinking tends to believe we need the rich and powerful to innovate, create jobs, and give us "Amazon". Being critical of the wealthy by the middle class means the poor can criticize the middle class. They think liberals want to artificially elevate the disadvantaged to displace those who "earned it" and fear poor treatment by the formerly marginalized.

 

[GDaddy]

If the western asian or eastern asian kids (or anyone else) are willing to bust their ass and clean everyone else's clock in the marketplace of achievement then they fully deserve to prevail. Full stop.

Participation awards and automatic graduation policies ruined public education.

 

[hal9000]

Do people actually believe sharia law is being forced on Londoners?

 

[Autoprax]

Participation awards and automatic graduation policies ruined public education.

You really think it's that simple?

Mulitvariate.

 

[GDaddy]

Participation awards and automatic graduation policies ruined public education.

You really think it's that simple?

Mulitvariate.

In terms of performance, yeah.

If you've got a student or a worker who cannot or will not perform then the problem is the performance itself, not the lack of the validation of achievement that is the requisite for more opportunities.

 

[Billy Ocean]

You cannot create equality with inequality.

Like GDaddy said, egalitarianism and equality, not equity. The only way to have true equality is to have the broadest set of terms imaginable without special treatment

so your answer is to do nothing about inequality?

you may not like it, but laws were enacted to ensure egalitarian outcomes going forward
and to make up for folks who had been disadvantaged by the previous, unequal system.

That’s actually not what it’s about anymore

It’s about “diversity” being a compelling interest

This is what all of the affirmative action Supreme Court cases say

we cant' discriminate on the basis of race because....diversity?

No

You generally can’t discriminate

But adding points to achieve “diversity” is ok as long as it’s just one factor as part of a holistic review

That’s what the recent affirmative action rulings have been

It’s explicitly not about reparations for past historical treatment to blacks

 

[afoaf]

can you please be more specific?

 

[Billy Ocean]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

 

[Billy Ocean]

If you think that’s BS window dressing, you might have a point, but that is the tap dance being done to keep affirmative action legal

 

[afoaf]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

I understand better now the point you're making

 

[Ifallalot]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

But the reason why anyone ever argues for it is as a way to correct historical grievances. Afoaf is doing it in this thread.

Forced diversity is not healthy for society either. Merit is all that should matter

 

[Kento]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

But the reason why anyone ever argues for it is as a way to correct historical grievances. Afoaf is doing it in this thread.

Forced diversity is not healthy for society either. Merit is all that should matter

Need to find a way to prevent money from buying merit, though, because that is the current reality. Otherwise none of that means sh!t.

 

[Ifallalot]

I agree, but that's neither here nor there

 

[Billy Ocean]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

But the reason why anyone ever argues for it is as a way to correct historical grievances. Afoaf is doing it in this thread.

Forced diversity is not healthy for society either. Merit is all that should matter

Forced diversity seems counterproductive to me

Ideally you would have diversity, but the idea of mandarins engineering diversity is unamerican

 

[Kento]

I agree, but that's neither here nor there

But it is the actual reality.

 

[kidfury]

The point is affirmative action is illegal if it’s pursued to correct historical grievances

It’s legal if it’s narrowly applied to achieve diversity

But the reason why anyone ever argues for it is as a way to correct historical grievances. Afoaf is doing it in this thread.

Forced diversity is not healthy for society either. Merit is all that should matter

White male says what?

 

[GDaddy]

White male says what?

 

[kidfury]

Is being white merit?