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How much longer will we have domestic/custom board makers?
- Thread starter GWS
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I think the mohican is trying to tell us something. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/unuts.gif" alt="" />
Lets say chinese boards take over...would you buy surftech before a chinese board? does it matter at that point?
I dont think it will come to that. There will always be shapers making boards whether epoxy takes over or not.
I dont think it will come to that. There will always be shapers making boards whether epoxy takes over or not.
FWIW, over in the Santa Cruz area one of the shops went out not long after blank Monday. This shop, Fiberglass Santa Cruz, sold the usual stuff a surf shop would sell plus skate stuff and shaping supplies - glass, resin, blanks, cups, squegees, etc. Okay, you're thinking no big deal.
Well, I heard that Fiberglass Hawaii just pulled out of Santa Cruz. They had all the stuff a high/low volume shaper needed plus hobbyists. I hear they're gonna run supplies up every coupla weeks from their Ventura location but gone are the days when anyone could walk in and get sanding pads, resin tint, a blank, etc.
It'll be just more difficult and probably more costly for many in the bay area. The main shapers should be fine but it's just another sign of the times, unfortunately. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Well, I heard that Fiberglass Hawaii just pulled out of Santa Cruz. They had all the stuff a high/low volume shaper needed plus hobbyists. I hear they're gonna run supplies up every coupla weeks from their Ventura location but gone are the days when anyone could walk in and get sanding pads, resin tint, a blank, etc.
It'll be just more difficult and probably more costly for many in the bay area. The main shapers should be fine but it's just another sign of the times, unfortunately. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Of course there will still be domestic boards to satisfy the demands for the custom market, and others who want to buy from domestic craftsmen. The real question is, how big is THAT market going to be? How many glassers and shapers in California will it support? As many or more than now? Or fewer?
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This thread is not dead yet. Someone need to kill it.
Custom surfboards will never go away. Period. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wave2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
well this is sad to here that there are shapes being ruined <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
just something to remember a quality glass job doesnt happen over night. when you drop off foam look how much other foam is in line ahead of where your board sits that should be a indicater as to when it will get started. rarely do boards get pushed to the front of the line. I.E. "rush" job. rusty came to us and asked us to glass Josh Kerrs personal polly board with glass ons for a contest he was leaving for on mon. i got the foam on a friday......that board was "on the plane" so to say but we were payed for the rush. when you get a passport you wait a month if you want it the next day you pay a fee. if you want something shipped over night you pay a fee. i build boards as if they where mine meaning take the extra time to make it right. rushing only leads to problems and that means more time in the end. understand top Quality shops have every ones interest at hand but a board wont leave if its not up to standard. most shops are not just building your board so be patient and you will reep the benifits. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wave2.gif" alt="" />
Sometimes the board is at the glassers. Sometimes. And sometimes the shaper waited to last possible second to shape it and it became a rush. BTW "Rush" stands for Real Unorganized Shaper Here. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
LMAO at team guys that are picking up their boards the morning of their flight or contest. Flights are usually booked weeks in advance, and contests are lined up at the beginning of the year. Why is it a rush? Also LMAO at customers that go "doood, I'm leaving to mex next week and I need a new board. LMAO harder at shapers that accomodate them as it always falls on the glassers shoulders to get the board done in a hurry. The shaper didn't rush it. Once he finally decided to actually shape it, it took one or two hours, not 2 weeks. But in order for a glasser to rush a board in one or two days he has to coordinate and screw up ten different guys schedules. And of course the glassjob doesn't hold up because it was rushed through without proper cure times between steps etc etc.. And of course the end result is both the customer and the shaper going "yeah..that glasshop sucks".
Bitchen.
Keep wondering what's gonna happen to the custom market. And while you ponder that, try going into any sporting goods shop,or a car dealership, and tell them you want the most custom piece of equipment you can get, and that your leaving for mex in a week. See how that goes over. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/toilet.gif" alt="" />
LMAO at team guys that are picking up their boards the morning of their flight or contest. Flights are usually booked weeks in advance, and contests are lined up at the beginning of the year. Why is it a rush? Also LMAO at customers that go "doood, I'm leaving to mex next week and I need a new board. LMAO harder at shapers that accomodate them as it always falls on the glassers shoulders to get the board done in a hurry. The shaper didn't rush it. Once he finally decided to actually shape it, it took one or two hours, not 2 weeks. But in order for a glasser to rush a board in one or two days he has to coordinate and screw up ten different guys schedules. And of course the glassjob doesn't hold up because it was rushed through without proper cure times between steps etc etc.. And of course the end result is both the customer and the shaper going "yeah..that glasshop sucks".
Bitchen.
Keep wondering what's gonna happen to the custom market. And while you ponder that, try going into any sporting goods shop,or a car dealership, and tell them you want the most custom piece of equipment you can get, and that your leaving for mex in a week. See how that goes over. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/toilet.gif" alt="" />
You guys are dummies,
If there's still waves in the US, there will always be custom board makers. The craft will never go away. The real question is how many can make a livable income off the craft? This is economics at its purest, unless your a commie and believe every American that picks up a planer should be given a dole.
I'd love to see your faces when some of you find out that some of your "American" made boards were actually laminated by a person who doesn't surf and in HER spare time watches soap's on Telemundo. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
If there's still waves in the US, there will always be custom board makers. The craft will never go away. The real question is how many can make a livable income off the craft? This is economics at its purest, unless your a commie and believe every American that picks up a planer should be given a dole.
I'd love to see your faces when some of you find out that some of your "American" made boards were actually laminated by a person who doesn't surf and in HER spare time watches soap's on Telemundo. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
Charging a "rush" fee sounds fine with me. But the money shouldn't go to the glasser. It should go to all the people in line that are getting skipped ahead of by the rush board!
After all, what does the glasser care which boards they do any particular day? Doing a "rush" board is the same as doing a board that's been in line for two weeks. But the people waiting for their boards should get a discount for having Rusty (as above) to cut in line in front of them and having their wait extended.
After all, what does the glasser care which boards they do any particular day? Doing a "rush" board is the same as doing a board that's been in line for two weeks. But the people waiting for their boards should get a discount for having Rusty (as above) to cut in line in front of them and having their wait extended.
Boards get built in steps. Production glassers do not do any boards start to finish in one or even two days unless they have to or are forced to. Example: The FCS guy does a room full of boards at a time. His set-up time is factored into his full day and spread out through that whole room of boards. So it may take him 45 minutes to do one board including set-up time. But he could probably do 4 in one hour once he's set-up. Also schedules have to be considered as many people may work in one room at alternating times with each guy getting his slot that he uses at the same time each day. When one super rush comes through it wrenches the whole rythm of the shop temporarily which cuts down production overall for the week. I disagree, the extra money should go to the glasser. Besides it might take several thousand dollars to compensate all the other people that have boards coming through at that time. So what's the "rush" fee gonna be? 3 grand? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> More like 50 bucks. Either way, and besides the glasser risking his reputation by building a board without proper cure times between steps etc..rush boards are a losing proposition to a glasser any way you slice it. The retail shop get's their same price, and the shaper gets his same price. But the glasser is the one that has to alter his routine and suck up the lost profit. He loses his production for the day somewhat, or possibly a couple of days. The other customers get set back a day or two. Now consider that probably around 35% of all boards going through are rushes, all the other customers are getting constantly pushed back, and the glasser is going broke because he can't get a real rythm going. All because someone doesn't have their sh*t together. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
just like a "real job" we aren't forced to work weekends. read the post again and you will see that i spent my friday night and satarday getting the board to the point where i could then hand it off to the sander. board was done by sunday 12 noon and picked up that evening. when we deal with rush boards on a normal day the rush board has to get moved through production as well as what is supposed to regularly get done so not only do i have to do my regular work i have to completely build a surfboard or two at the same time. if you dont think people should be compinsated for "rushing" a board then don't tip the waiter next time you get great service when you go out to eat and see how you get treated the next time you eat at the restaruant. most shop owners are pals and a lot of the same workers work at those shops. its a small world and word can travel fast. the best thing to do is respect the fact that the world is not all about you and you should be fine. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/batman.gif" alt="" />
are you spying on me.......... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
the only way for that to happen is for people to be miss informed. who is responsable for that?
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not i the "american glasser"!
retailers?
magazines?
shapers?
now i need to get back to my soap on telemundo <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />