Giuliani associates arrested on campaign finance violations

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CIA spook/tough guy, Dem 2020 candidate interloper needs protection, I guess?
you're still mischaracterizing....everything.

who has testified to committees as part of this? the minority members of the
house committees don't get to ask questions?
 

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you're still mischaracterizing....everything.

who has testified to committees as part of this? the minority members of the
house committees don't get to ask questions?
But, but, the rules are unfair when dems use them! It still amazes me that the people hate SJW culture got conned by the biggest snowflake around.
 

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I'm sure Surfdog understands that being a CIA analyst stationed in the White House
does not make you a political "operative"

I'm sure Surfdog understands why we have protections in place for whistleblowers

I'm sure Surfdog understands that closed testimony does not mean that the minority
members are blocked from being present or asking questions of the person testifying
 

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What you’re referring to happens during the criminal trial, which takes place in the senate. This is the investigation phase.

An investigation is usually a one-sided affair. When law enforcement conducts an investigation there isn’t usually a concomitant investigation conducted by the accused criminal on the cops.

Now go back an try to formulate a legal defense for Trumby and/or Giuliani’s criminal activities.
I'm glad you finally admitted that Congress is acting like they're "law enforcement" instead of law makers.
 

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I'm glad you finally admitted that Congress is acting like they're "law enforcement" instead of law makers.

A cursory glance at the US Constitution would tell you that Congress has sole oversight authority as a co-equal branch of government.

They also have broad impeachment powers.

They have subpoena powers.

They have the power of the purse as well.

So anyway, what's your legal argument in defense of Rudy's illegal behaviors?
 

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A cursory glance at the US Constitution would tell you that Congress has sole oversight authority as a co-equal branch of government.

They also have broad impeachment powers.

They have subpoena powers.

They have the power of the purse as well.

So anyway, what's your legal argument in defense of Rudy's illegal behaviors?
What's the charge?
 

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Wrong, and a red herring. In regards to impeachment you know the topic are discussing, one unconstitutional thing?
So many, where do we start.......

"1) Denied the President the right to cross-examine witnesses, to call witnesses, to receive transcripts of testimony, to have access to evidence, to have counsel present, and many other basic rights guaranteed to all Americans

2) Conducted proceedings in secret.

3) Violated civil liberties and the separation of powers by threatening Executive Branch officials, claiming that they will seek to punish those who exercise fundamental constitutional rights and prerogatives (AOC Dems already threatening this).

4) To comply with the Constitution’s demands, appropriate procedures would include — at a minimum — the right to see all evidence, to present evidence, to call witnesses, to have counsel present at all hearings, to cross-examine all witnesses, to make objections relating to the examination of witnesses or the admissibility of testimony and evidence, and to respond to evidence and testimony. Likewise, the Committees must provide for the disclosure of all evidence favorable to the President and all evidence bearing on the credibility of witnesses called to testify in the inquiry. The Committees’ current procedures provide none of these basic constitutional rights.

In addition, the House has not provided the Committees’ Ranking Members with the authority to issue subpoenas. The right of the minority to issue subpoenas subject to the same rules as the majority — has been the standard, bipartisan practice in all recent resolutions authorizing presidential impeachment inquiries. The House’s failure to provide co-equal subpoena power in this case ensures that any inquiry will be nothing more than a one-sided effort by House Democrats to gather information favorable to their views and to selectively release it as only they determine, The House's utter disregard for the established procedural safeguards followed in past impeachment inquiries shows that the current proceedings are nothing more than an unconstitutional exercise in political theater.

All of this violates the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent. Never before in our history has the House of Representatives — under the control of either political party — taken the American people down this dangerous path."

And yes, this is all up for interpretation (taken from WH letter), but it's just scratching the surface of unconstitutionality.
 

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So many, where do we start.......

"1) Denied the President the right to cross-examine witnesses, to call witnesses, to receive transcripts of testimony, to have access to evidence, to have counsel present, and many other basic rights guaranteed to all Americans

2) Conducted proceedings in secret.

3) Violated civil liberties and the separation of powers by threatening Executive Branch officials, claiming that they will seek to punish those who exercise fundamental constitutional rights and prerogatives (AOC Dems already threatening this).

4) To comply with the Constitution’s demands, appropriate procedures would include — at a minimum — the right to see all evidence, to present evidence, to call witnesses, to have counsel present at all hearings, to cross-examine all witnesses, to make objections relating to the examination of witnesses or the admissibility of testimony and evidence, and to respond to evidence and testimony. Likewise, the Committees must provide for the disclosure of all evidence favorable to the President and all evidence bearing on the credibility of witnesses called to testify in the inquiry. The Committees’ current procedures provide none of these basic constitutional rights.

In addition, the House has not provided the Committees’ Ranking Members with the authority to issue subpoenas. The right of the minority to issue subpoenas subject to the same rules as the majority — has been the standard, bipartisan practice in all recent resolutions authorizing presidential impeachment inquiries. The House’s failure to provide co-equal subpoena power in this case ensures that any inquiry will be nothing more than a one-sided effort by House Democrats to gather information favorable to their views and to selectively release it as only they determine, The House's utter disregard for the established procedural safeguards followed in past impeachment inquiries shows that the current proceedings are nothing more than an unconstitutional exercise in political theater.

All of this violates the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent. Never before in our history has the House of Representatives — under the control of either political party — taken the American people down this dangerous path."

And yes, this is all up for interpretation (taken from WH letter), but it's just scratching the surface of unconstitutionality.
LOL, every legal scholar stated that letter is absolute garbage. Look at you parroting Trump like a good little rube.
 

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LOL, every legal scholar stated that letter is absolute garbage. Look at you parroting Trump like a good little rube.
Plenty have also said it makes a lot of valid points. "Every" is quite the stretch, even if ALL were Dem "legal scholars".

We'll see how much garbage it is when it comes time to vote on impeachment, if that EVER happens.
 
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Plenty have also said it makes a lot of valid points. "Every" is quite the stretch, even if ALL were Dem "legal scholars".

We'll see how much garbage it is when it comes time to vote on impeachment, if that EVER happens.

Not true.

You're still focusing on process.

What's your legal argument?
 

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Not true.

You're still focusing on process.

What's your legal argument?
Not defending all of Rudy's tactics, but what he did related to the Trump/Ukraine phone call is not even on the same page.

Totally different issue from the now thrown under the bus by Schiff "whistle-blower" that got this whole new charade going.
 
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