Giuliani associates arrested on campaign finance violations

Surfdog

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How is this a legal defense for Rudy and/or Trumby's corruption and illegal activities?

Try to make valid arguments otherwise I can't take you seriously.
If you took off your blinders and bias goggles, you'd see EXACTLY what the Biden and Son picture represents, and why Rudy and others were asking Ukraine officials for any leads on Hunter and his affiliates there. Joe got him in there, and the Bidens took full advantage, monetarily and more. Ukraine anti-corruption officials were already looking into them months before Trump even thought about talking to the NEW Ukraine prez about it.

But Dems will keep conflating a mountain out of an ant-hill, questioning people in private, with no public oversight and granting no others access to their supposed "whistle-blowers" until they run out of time, and have no other option BUT to vote on an impeachment inquiry like they supposed to. By then, the MSM fanned flames of this "matter" will be just smoldering ashes of another epic fail in trying to get Trump removed from office. They got nothin' and impeachment or removal from office is their only hope.

Like I said, knock yourselves out, AGAIN.
 

hal9000

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If you took off your blinders and bias goggles, you'd see EXACTLY what the Biden and Son picture represents, and why Rudy and others were asking Ukraine officials for any leads on Hunter and his affiliates there. Joe got him in there, and the Bidens took full advantage, monetarily and more. Ukraine anti-corruption officials were already looking into them months before Trump even thought about talking to the NEW Ukraine prez about it.





Like I said, knock yourselves out, AGAIN.

So what's your valid legal argument for how these guys and Rudy didn't break the law?

What's your legal argument for how Trumby didn't abuse power and/or break the law?

Any argument that involves "but that's not fair" or "but what about _______(fill in name here)" is not a valid argument and should not be taken seriously.
 

Surfdog

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So what's your valid legal argument for how these guys and Rudy didn't break the law?

What's your legal argument for how Trumby didn't abuse power and/or break the law?

Any argument that involves "but that's not fair" or "but what about _______(fill in name here)" is not a valid argument and should not be taken seriously.
Maybe you need to first prove how and what laws were broken first?

You guys are trying to prove a negative.

Both sides of the story/accusations need to have their issues heard. Not this one-sided hush-hush, non-publicly disclosed BS.

Bring everyone involved out into the light for the public to see and judge for themselves.
 

everysurfer

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Maybe you need to first prove how and what laws were broken first?

You guys are trying to prove a negative.

Both sides of the story/accusations need to have their issues heard. Not this one-sided hush-hush, non-publicly disclosed BS.

Bring everyone involved out into the light for the public to see and judge for themselves.
I agree! So now you see tRump needs to comply with all subpoenas and release his income tax records.

It only took you 2 1/2 years but you are finally figuring out what the rest of us knew before the election.

Good job(y)
 

afoaf

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Both sides of the story/accusations need to have their issues heard. Not this one-sided hush-hush, non-publicly disclosed BS.
IG reviewed whistleblower report and deemed it credible and urgent

so I'm not sure I'd call it BS...if that's what you meant

whistleblowers are afforded protections for a reason...it doesn't subvert
the legal process; don't you agree that whistleblower protections help to
ensure transparency and accountability within the systems that employ
them?
 

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Fact is whistleblowers were unabashedly, no questions ask, hero’s to trump groupies. “Something something drain the swamp.” Until they go against their side.

There’s a trend there.
 

hal9000

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Maybe you need to first prove how and what laws were broken first?

You guys are trying to prove a negative.

Both sides of the story/accusations need to have their issues heard. Not this one-sided hush-hush, non-publicly disclosed BS.

Bring everyone involved out into the light for the public to see and judge for themselves.

So you agree that everyone involved should comply with subpoenas and any other discovery being conducted.
 

Surfdog

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So you agree that everyone involved should comply with subpoenas and any other discovery being conducted.
How can you ethically subpoena during an impeachment inquiry without both sides questioning the witnesses?

As is, this is a one sided inquisition, with NO public scrutiny. Is this Mueller 2.0 but without authorization?
 

Surfdog

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IG reviewed whistleblower report and deemed it credible and urgent

so I'm not sure I'd call it BS...if that's what you meant

whistleblowers are afforded protections for a reason...it doesn't subvert
the legal process; don't you agree that whistleblower protections help to
ensure transparency and accountability within the systems that employ
them?
CIA spook/tough guy, Dem 2020 candidate interloper needs protection, I guess?
 

everysurfer

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How can you ethically subpoena during an impeachment inquiry without both sides questioning the witnesses?

As is, this is a one sided inquisition, with NO public scrutiny. Is this Mueller 2.0 but without authorization?
Both sides do question the witness. Have you ever seen a congressional hearing?

It almost sounds like you don't want the truth to be told.
 

Surfdog

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Both sides do question the witness. Have you ever seen a congressional hearing?

It almost sounds like you don't want the truth to be told.
Why don't they let the Repubs ask questions then?

Why don't they vote to let all have access to these "witnesses" then?

They don't DARE, because they're afraid it will basically shoot down their whole charade.
 

hal9000

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How can you ethically subpoena during an impeachment inquiry without both sides questioning the witnesses?

As is, this is a one sided inquisition, with NO public scrutiny. Is this Mueller 2.0 but without authorization?

What you’re referring to happens during the criminal trial, which takes place in the senate. This is the investigation phase.

An investigation is usually a one-sided affair. When law enforcement conducts an investigation there isn’t usually a concomitant investigation conducted by the accused criminal on the cops.

Now go back an try to formulate a legal defense for Trumby and/or Giuliani’s criminal activities.