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laidback

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I really don't have a problem with them
and as payload and range become acceptable to my requirements I'll be getting one myself one day

Nice to hear we are in agreement that there is an agenda
 
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StuAzole

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so you agree then, big lefty has big plans for all of us

it's good to hear
Yes, of course there's an agenda. It's been well spelled out at both the Federal and State levels. I mean, how much more clear can "California will ban the sale of all new ICE cars by 2035" be?

Suggesting "lefties" have an EV agenda is about as gotcha-ish as suggesting conservatives dislike abortion.
 

plasticbertrand

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No gotcha, just wanting you to put your money where your mouth is

There's obviously still tons of advantages to ICE vehicles, otherwise, everyone would already drive EVs
There's no gotcha but then there it is in the next sentence. :roflmao:

I don't have a Porsche either, does it mean it's a sh!t car?

What kind of logic is this?

What's happened to you? You used to be semi-smart.

How does the fact that I don't have an EV yet, prove anything I said incorrect?
 

StuAzole

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No gotcha, just wanting you to put your money where your mouth is

There's obviously still tons of advantages to ICE vehicles, otherwise, everyone would already drive EVs
I have one.

It's superior to any car I've owned. Fast, quiet, easy and inexpensive to charge, fun to drive.

But not everyone needs a new car right now, and not everyone can afford a new EV right now. Over the next 12 years, this will change.
 

laidback

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Yes, of course there's an agenda. It's been well spelled out at both the Federal and State levels. I mean, how much more clear can "California will ban the sale of all new ICE cars by 2035" be?

Suggesting "lefties" have an EV agenda is about as gotcha-ish as suggesting conservatives dislike abortion.
i'm not playing your silly gotcha game
I just want to know if we're all on the same page here
 
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Ifallalot

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There's no gotcha but then there it is in the next sentence. :roflmao:

I don't have a Porsche either, does it mean it's a sh!t car?

What kind of logic is this?

What's happened to you? You used to be semi-smart.

How does the fact that I don't have an EV yet, prove anything I said incorrect?
You used to have a Porsche though

You used to be all about lived experience too, now you're ok with research and theory?

If an EV was as superior as you say it was, you'd already have one, and do whatever it takes to put yourself in that superior car
 

laidback

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I don't know what your point is but sure.

What's your problem with EVs?
I don't have a problem with ev's, like i said above i'd have one myself if they handled my needs
but i feel that in 12 years or so (when they are more capable and affordable to everyone) they'll be on the way out
 

plasticbertrand

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I don't have a problem with ev's, like i said above i'd have one myself if they handled my needs
but i feel that in 12 years or so (when they are more capable and affordable to everyone) they'll be on the way out
What makes you say that?
 

plasticbertrand

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You used to have a Porsche though

You used to be all about lived experience too, now you're ok with research and theory?

If an EV was as superior as you say it was, you'd already have one, and do whatever it takes to put yourself in that superior car
So I sold the Porsche, that means it was sh!t, right?

I would have still have it, if it was a superior car, right?

Now I drive a Subaru, which means Subaru is better than Porsche?

It's the dumbest gotcha ever.

I'd buy a Rivian tomorrow if I could actually drive it off the lot the same day.
That doesn't mean it won't happen next year.
I'm not interested in sedans so Tesla is out of question.

None of it says anything about viability of EVs.

You are not making any sense.
 

StuAzole

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I don't have a problem with ev's, like i said above i'd have one myself if they handled my needs
but i feel that in 12 years or so (when they are more capable and affordable to everyone) they'll be on the way out
With what in their place?