Hope there’s no big rain yet. Maui has been under drought conditions for so long, part of the tinder box problem. If rain happens the wash off will add to the tragedy.
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Fires in Maui
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There’s been so much depressing stories coming out of this tragedy. Lots of anger and finger pointing. Here’s a story I heard that shows the giving side of human nature.
Les one of the dawn patrol crew told me he went to help at a golf club in Pearl City that was a donation center. He said a family of 9 showed up in a rented Uhaul van. Mom and dad sent the 7 kids out thru their neighborhood to trick or treat for clothes, blankets, canned goods. After they unloaded the clothes and blankets from the back half of the van Les said there was cases and cases of water, spam, Vienna sausages in the front half. He asked where they got that from. Dad told him they rented the van went to Costco and bought much as they could fit into the front part of the van then loaded the community clothes in the back. All this with 7 kids.
Les one of the dawn patrol crew told me he went to help at a golf club in Pearl City that was a donation center. He said a family of 9 showed up in a rented Uhaul van. Mom and dad sent the 7 kids out thru their neighborhood to trick or treat for clothes, blankets, canned goods. After they unloaded the clothes and blankets from the back half of the van Les said there was cases and cases of water, spam, Vienna sausages in the front half. He asked where they got that from. Dad told him they rented the van went to Costco and bought much as they could fit into the front part of the van then loaded the community clothes in the back. All this with 7 kids.
Shoreline could be DLNR. Ive heard reports of bodies being pulled from the ocean. Rumors still.
So I just got off the phone with my FIL, told him we were going to Hawaii in a couple weeks to see the kid. He asked unjokingly if we were going to Lahaina. I explained to him that no tourists should be going to that part of Maui for at least a year and the kid lives on another island, anyway. Clueless.
Most people i know don't have a clue as to the level of devastation over there. And it's far away. And for those who have never been to Hawai'i, most couldn't name one island. So the event probably became a quick afterthought for most.
Theres the story about this one old timer. He is known to probably have the largest collection of ivory in the world. He actually used to cut the tusks himself in Afrika in the 50's. But dont leave it at that. Coins,flags, Whatnots this guy was nuts collectables. Perhaps 10 million just in crap. I mean collectables. He was basically dragged out of his house in a tshirt where he had lived forever up in Wahikuli before poof! Up in smoke. Same with his store downtown. Gone with the wind. . Now you might think well, sh!t...he deserved it. I can tell you other stories that will rip your heart out that have not become news yet but its gonna get get real sad...its gonna hurt.
Safe deposit boxes. Store safes. there are guys that are working that angle, good and bad...with access.
Many are lawyering up getting ready to sue County and State. Its gonna get nutz. Developers are already making Shibai offers to "Help" (themselves) to the State and County bypassing the permit system. Dunno if anybody saw Archie Kalepa's plea and report on this matter.
The fact is - the Maui land grab that is likely taking place right now, is a game for multi-millionaires and billionaires. No one is a player at less than USD $10 million to spend. Working-class locals of any ethnicity will be largely ignored.
With the entire town reduced to ashes, it's a clean slate to rebuild.
No matter what anyone says, including Hawaiian activists, there is no special dispensation or consideration under Hawaii state law nor under the laws of the United States of America where ethnicity is a factor in who can own land or property in Hawaii or anywhere else in the US.
Hawaii isn't Fiji, where ethnicity is everything when it comes to land ownership and only ethnic Fijians can own land.
In Hawaii, persons of any ethnic background can own land and/or property on the land - and in the case of the Lahaina rebuild, that is going to be rich haole from the mainland - or even richer Asians or Middle Eastern interests.
How much attention they pay to locals demanding a say in the rebuilding process is up to them. They can ignore these voices entirely if they choose to do so and Governor Green's thuggish threats against speculators are only posturing - he has no authority in land transactions.
https://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news/2023/08/lahaina-community-is-asking-for-full-participation-in-rebuilding-town/
With the entire town reduced to ashes, it's a clean slate to rebuild.
No matter what anyone says, including Hawaiian activists, there is no special dispensation or consideration under Hawaii state law nor under the laws of the United States of America where ethnicity is a factor in who can own land or property in Hawaii or anywhere else in the US.
Hawaii isn't Fiji, where ethnicity is everything when it comes to land ownership and only ethnic Fijians can own land.
In Hawaii, persons of any ethnic background can own land and/or property on the land - and in the case of the Lahaina rebuild, that is going to be rich haole from the mainland - or even richer Asians or Middle Eastern interests.
How much attention they pay to locals demanding a say in the rebuilding process is up to them. They can ignore these voices entirely if they choose to do so and Governor Green's thuggish threats against speculators are only posturing - he has no authority in land transactions.
https://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news/2023/08/lahaina-community-is-asking-for-full-participation-in-rebuilding-town/
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New Waikiki - Oprah and Lauren Sanchez can buy their Hermes, Prada and Gucci designer handbags without leaving the island.So, basically, Lahaina = New Honolulu?
Kimi Werner on Instagram: "It breaks my heart to share such sad news but I hope we all can help this family through their pain. They have been volunteering and serving their community in the aftermath of the fires even after losing their son Keyiro who would have turned 15 years old today. He was at home enjoying his last day of summer break while the rest of his family was working at their cleaning business. His family raced from work towards their home when they heard the news and were running towards the fire while everyone else was fleeing away. Rubber slippers melting on the hot ground, his mom Luz kicked hers off and ran barefoot. She managed to get past police barricades but was not able to get into their home that had been engulfed in the fire. They spent the next 2 days going to Honokowai beach park, a place Keyiro loved and also where he took his first steps as a baby, hoping he would turn up there. With the help of his classmates, they snuck back into the distruction zone to find their home burnt to rubble and discovered the remains of both Keyiro and their beloved family dog Dexter. 20 year-old Josue seen in this video, had to take his little brother's charred body to the police station. Mama Luz still goes to Honokowai beach park everyday. She will still be celebrating Keyiro's birthday today, in the midst of trying to plan a funeral. Please hold this family in your heart and prayers and if you see them, wrap them in love. The family also wants to remind people that they are one of hundreds of Lahaina families who share loss like this. The clickable link to donate directly to them is in my bio."
33K likes, 1,149 comments - kimi_swimmy on August 20, 2023: "It breaks my heart to share such sad news but I hope we all can help this family through their pain. They have been volunteering and serv...".
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Concerning the whole property angle for a moment......
So in desirable areas, the land is pretty much always worth more than the structure. Basically, the more the land is worth, the more likely is has already been sold to big money a while back.
With that understanding, does anyone know the average monetary value ratio of land to structure for an average home?
For example, when I bought my goat shed in San Francisco, the land was worth $160K, the structure worth $140K, or 1 to .875 (figures slightly rounded for clarity).
I'm gonna speculate that will not be possible due to infrastructure requirements. Easier to imagine a "new and improved Lanai City" for the well off.
So in desirable areas, the land is pretty much always worth more than the structure. Basically, the more the land is worth, the more likely is has already been sold to big money a while back.
With that understanding, does anyone know the average monetary value ratio of land to structure for an average home?
For example, when I bought my goat shed in San Francisco, the land was worth $160K, the structure worth $140K, or 1 to .875 (figures slightly rounded for clarity).
So, basically, Lahaina = New Honolulu?
I'm gonna speculate that will not be possible due to infrastructure requirements. Easier to imagine a "new and improved Lanai City" for the well off.
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Someone needs to answer to all of this.Kimi Werner on Instagram: "It breaks my heart to share such sad news but I hope we all can help this family through their pain. They have been volunteering and serving their community in the aftermath of the fires even after losing their son Keyiro who would have turned 15 years old today. He was at home enjoying his last day of summer break while the rest of his family was working at their cleaning business. His family raced from work towards their home when they heard the news and were running towards the fire while everyone else was fleeing away. Rubber slippers melting on the hot ground, his mom Luz kicked hers off and ran barefoot. She managed to get past police barricades but was not able to get into their home that had been engulfed in the fire. They spent the next 2 days going to Honokowai beach park, a place Keyiro loved and also where he took his first steps as a baby, hoping he would turn up there. With the help of his classmates, they snuck back into the distruction zone to find their home burnt to rubble and discovered the remains of both Keyiro and their beloved family dog Dexter. 20 year-old Josue seen in this video, had to take his little brother's charred body to the police station. Mama Luz still goes to Honokowai beach park everyday. She will still be celebrating Keyiro's birthday today, in the midst of trying to plan a funeral. Please hold this family in your heart and prayers and if you see them, wrap them in love. The family also wants to remind people that they are one of hundreds of Lahaina families who share loss like this. The clickable link to donate directly to them is in my bio."
33K likes, 1,149 comments - kimi_swimmy on August 20, 2023: "It breaks my heart to share such sad news but I hope we all can help this family through their pain. They have been volunteering and serv...".
How can this type of thing happen in 2023. It's horrible and should have been preventable.
Check out what Jud Lau (@judlausurfboards) is doing on instagram (Surfboard Replacement Project). He's actively trying to connect surfers who lost everything with boards that match (somewhat) what they had before. Maybe you guys can collaborate.
Nice. I’ll pass this onto the guys at HIC. I haven’t heard the details yet. I asked Uncle Stephen if I could bring in old boars to sell and he told me about their plans to collect boars for Lahaina. Told him they can have a couple of mine. I’ll post details when I know more.
There is a Maui camper truck company I follow on socials that is advertising for people to come. I know those camper trucks aren't universally liked by the locals to begin with and can imagine they wouldn't be welcomed with open arms now.