Drew Brophy - in ICU w/ COVID fighting for his life

sussle

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-Vaccine would prevent infection
-Vaccine would prevent transmission
-Efficacy will not decline in 4-6 months

Shall we go on :unsure:
go on as long as you like. it's the same schtick as VM - a bunch of random statements without context, time period, country, circumstance etc etc. etc. - all with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

look, both my family doc and the house doctor gave me ongoing advice over the course of the pandemic, that evolved as updates/data/research/studies/further info became available to the medical community. i fully expected that advice/recs/policy/regulations/etc would change and update over the course of the pandemic, as further info became available, and so they did. does that mean my doc lied to me in the beginning? and the CDC was lying to him? i don't see it that way at all. these last few years were completely uncharted waters - i figure that, at any given time, i got the benefit of the best info available at that time and i feel the same way about my community and my kid's school system etc etc. have no regrets with taking the best advice i could find - it all worked out. ymmv.
 

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go on as long as you like. it's the same schtick as VM - a bunch of random statements without context, time period, country, circumstance etc etc. etc. - all with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

look, both my family doc and the house doctor gave me ongoing advice over the course of the pandemic, that evolved as updates/data/research/studies/further info became available to the medical community. i fully expected that advice/recs/policy/regulations/etc would change and update over the course of the pandemic, as further info became available, and so they did. does that mean my doc lied to me in the beginning? and the CDC was lying to him? i don't see it that way at all. these last few years were completely uncharted waters - i figure that, at any given time, i got the benefit of the best info available at that time and i feel the same way about my community and my kid's school system etc etc. have no regrets with taking the best advice i could find - it all worked out. ymmv.
Which is all fine and well if the people providing the advice/guidance are acting in good faith. That wasn't the case with COVID policy....obviously.
 

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All the people pushing the Anti Vaxx crap to mouthbreathing rubes were in fact vaccinated themselves.
 

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I don't think it was malice...perhaps stupidity....maybe you're right. For the most part it was group think driven by a unquenchable thirst for power in the name of virtue.
You’re not a doctor and you live in your mom’s basement. What do you know?

Both of my kids and their spouses were current with their vaxes and all four caught it twice.

Wait until the next one, see if there are any lessons learned. Don’t count on it.
 

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I don't think it was malice...perhaps stupidity....maybe you're right.
Nope. For the previous several thousand years, we quarantined the sick instead of the healthy. There are no trials supporting the latter. Rochelle Walensky's Harvard colleague Marc Lipsitch made up some computer models saying that the latter would be helpful, but he had no trial data supporting this.

Also, the vaccine trials did not measure effect on infection or transmission. They only measured effect on disease and severe disease. Public health officials lied that the virus would stop with their mass vax campaign.

There are several other interventions that were not supported by data. The rationales were flimsy - "abundance of caution" (my friend Karen the public health official in another city/state is doing this; so am I).

People who want us to get over it have two choices: stop engaging with us or apologize.
 

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this shoulda been moved to the Thunderdome/Police forum a wicked long time ago bro but drew brophy. Dunno kinda seems like mods be slacking off these days

 
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Which is all fine and well if the people providing the advice/guidance are acting in good faith. That wasn't the case with COVID policy....obviously.
No, it's not obvious to me. Explain to me how my family doctor, as well as my wife, the infectious disease specialist, were not acting in good faith. Maybe I missed something.
 

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No, it's not obvious to me. Explain to me how my family doctor, as well as my wife, the infectious disease specialist, were not acting in good faith. Maybe I missed something.
I wouldn't have a clue what your family doctor or wife were advising you to do and to my knowledge neither was involved in government policy. I would hope they were staying up to date with guidance, being curious and critical when necessary and giving you their best opinion. Sadly, this isn't the case in the US as there are still plenty of MD's that just regurgitate guidance without giving it a thought. ...which is why some are on board with vaccinating 5 year olds for instance. To be fair there probably aren't many of these opinions held by doctors in practice.
 

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You’re not a doctor and you live in your mom’s basement. What do you know?

Both of my kids and their spouses were current with their vaxes and all four caught it twice.

Wait until the next one, see if there are any lessons learned. Don’t count on it.

It's the same as climate. The IPCC has a lot of climate change scenarios and they apply weight to all of them. The scenarios repeated ad nauseam by people like John Kerry and the democratic party are the ones that the IPCC itself weights so low as to be nearly impossible....yet this is what we hear day in and day out about climate change. The same was true about COVID and will be true with the next impending doomsday. The government is really good at using fear as a tactic to grow and will drive that fear for as long as the populace will hear it. People were afraid of their mail during covid.
 
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