Address it. What makes healthcare a right more than any of those more important commodities?
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Does the Bern stand a chance?
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I thought they'd have a half-way decent response to my earlier equation of "basic needs" that need providing by government.
They can't. If uni-healthcare "for all" is a "right" or "vital necessity", then all those other basics are even more-so a "right" to be provided, by full taxation if necessary.
Maybe if we increase taxes enough, we COULD pay for it all as a "right" as they "should" be. Ya?
What makes healthcare for all most important to be a "right" than all other basic needs a majority need to just live/survive in a modern society?
No one on the left can answer that simple question.
As listed again: water, food, housing, waste disposal/treatment, utilities including internet now, public transportation. All aspects of modern society we deem as "necessary" to at least get by/survive daily on. Healthcare seems pretty low on that totem pole of absolute necessity on a average daily basis for a majority at any given moment. Yes, we pay some taxes/fees on some of those now, but far from guv "provided".
I still don't see people all over dying in the streets for lack of healthcare. Even many illegal immigrants get basically "free" healthcare, and not expected to pay for it. You see it all the time at the General Hospitals in our nation. Signs on the walls in their ER's basically guarantee it.
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I'm not going to catch a run down apartment or shabby clothes if you breath on me, but I'm going to get Corona virus if we don't give you antibiotics
The sarcasm flew right over. My beach front comment was IF we had all "necessities" of life guaranteed as a "right". If housing was a "right", who determines where and what house I get? Most would likely get the tenements, and the well connected would get the beach front mansions, like most 3rd world governments where property "rights" are controlled.
I could see the AOC squadkateers tearing down all the beachfront mansions, and replacing them with high rise condos for all. Ya, that would be "cool", right? Beach fronts for all!!
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How can a socialist have 3 homes and complain about the plight of the poor? Shouldn't he give at least one to a person in need?
Don't we already have "socialism" for fire, police, military, road and utility construction/maintenance, education through 12 grade and healthcare for folks over 65?
Bernie wants to add college and healthcare for people under 65.
Bernie wants to add college and healthcare for people under 65.
Those are negotiated benefits which accrue to their respective employment. They're not entitlements and there's no guarantee that they can't be reduced or eliminated altogether in the future.
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No you won't.
Antibiotics won't do sh!t against a virus
But that being said, a homeless person with a bad diet is going to be a lot more susceptible to starting a plague than someone with proper shelter, so I think you should pay to make sure they are fed, homed and clothed as well
It's not a fallacy.
It is a natural extension of the same argument you're making for healthcare, using things that are more important to overall health than the medical industry
That's everyone's argument for single payer.
You have heard, healthcare is a right, haven't you?
Cambria effect
Another idiotic falacy.
Risk pools, look it up.
You are paying for yourself, not for others.
Car =\= Cancer
So when you get the homeless plague and your insurance tells you they're not going to pay for your treatment, will you die happy?