I know the links you post here.
I asked what sources you use to cross reference your information because you always get things wrong but you never answered.
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Do You Believe Covid was a lab manipulated virus that somehow got out of a lab? Anonymous Poll.
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I asked what sources you use to cross reference your information because you always get things wrong but you never answered.
Two other recent papers on the matter. Currently the evidence for natural origins vastly outweighs the evidence for a lab origin.
www.science.org
and this one from Sept 2021 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8373617/
This evidence includes
-the emergence of two distinct lineages in/around the Huanan market
- genomic analyses from hundreds of samples taken from the epicenter of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak -environmental samples (that were positive for SARS-COV-2) taken directly from the Huanan wet market and sewage drains nearby
-positive samples taken from specific vendor stalls and animal cages
-mapping of the cases that occurred around the market. All of these are cited in the papers I posted above.
-lack of comparable epidemiological patterns from the area surrounding the WIV (which is ~14 miles away from the Huanan market).
Proponents of the lab leak hypothesis, which is still very possible, have yet to provide substantial or conclusive evidence. That hypothesis has been largely supported by opinion pieces, conspiracy hypotheses, and conjecture.
The lab leak proponents also have many fair points about the opacity of the chinese government and its refusal to collaborate with scientists studying Sars-cov-2.
Evidence suggests pandemic came from nature, not a lab, panel says
New report takes sides in debate over COVID-19’s origins
www.science.org
and this one from Sept 2021 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8373617/
This evidence includes
-the emergence of two distinct lineages in/around the Huanan market
- genomic analyses from hundreds of samples taken from the epicenter of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak -environmental samples (that were positive for SARS-COV-2) taken directly from the Huanan wet market and sewage drains nearby
-positive samples taken from specific vendor stalls and animal cages
-mapping of the cases that occurred around the market. All of these are cited in the papers I posted above.
-lack of comparable epidemiological patterns from the area surrounding the WIV (which is ~14 miles away from the Huanan market).
Proponents of the lab leak hypothesis, which is still very possible, have yet to provide substantial or conclusive evidence. That hypothesis has been largely supported by opinion pieces, conspiracy hypotheses, and conjecture.
The lab leak proponents also have many fair points about the opacity of the chinese government and its refusal to collaborate with scientists studying Sars-cov-2.
Which group stands the most to lose? Which is backed by big govt. $ and which isn't?Two other recent papers on the matter. Currently the evidence for natural origins vastly outweighs the evidence for a lab origin.
Evidence suggests pandemic came from nature, not a lab, panel says
New report takes sides in debate over COVID-19’s origins
and this one from Sept 2021 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8373617/
This evidence includes
-the emergence of two distinct lineages in/around the Huanan market
- genomic analyses from hundreds of samples taken from the epicenter of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak -environmental samples (that were positive for SARS-COV-2) taken directly from the Huanan wet market and sewage drains nearby
-positive samples taken from specific vendor stalls and animal cages
-mapping of the cases that occurred around the market. All of these are cited in the papers I posted above.
-lack of comparable epidemiological patterns from the area surrounding the WIV (which is ~14 miles away from the Huanan market).
Proponents of the lab leak hypothesis, which is still very possible, have yet to provide substantial or conclusive evidence. That hypothesis has been largely supported by opinion pieces, conspiracy hypotheses, and conjecture.
The lab leak proponents also have many fair points about the opacity of the chinese government and its refusal to collaborate with scientists studying Sars-cov-2.
Doesn't prove anything but motivation is certainly motive
Lol. Ok.
Why isn’t a country like Russia pushing to prove it was the NIH and the US? The entire world can investigate, but posters here act like everyone is in on the cover up.
Two other recent papers on the matter. Currently the evidence for natural origins vastly outweighs the evidence for a lab origin.
Evidence suggests pandemic came from nature, not a lab, panel says
New report takes sides in debate over COVID-19’s origins
and this one from Sept 2021 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8373617/
This evidence includes
-the emergence of two distinct lineages in/around the Huanan market
- genomic analyses from hundreds of samples taken from the epicenter of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak -environmental samples (that were positive for SARS-COV-2) taken directly from the Huanan wet market and sewage drains nearby
-positive samples taken from specific vendor stalls and animal cages
-mapping of the cases that occurred around the market. All of these are cited in the papers I posted above.
-lack of comparable epidemiological patterns from the area surrounding the WIV (which is ~14 miles away from the Huanan market).
Proponents of the lab leak hypothesis, which is still very possible, have yet to provide substantial or conclusive evidence. That hypothesis has been largely supported by opinion pieces, conspiracy hypotheses, and conjecture.
The lab leak proponents also have many fair points about the opacity of the chinese government and its refusal to collaborate with scientists studying Sars-cov-2.
Pointing at the Wuhan wet market only strengthens the theory that a lab employee sold one or some of the test animals at the wet market.
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Let's say the lab-leakers are right and it was an accidental (or intentional) leak.
What then?
What's our course of action?
What then?
What's our course of action?
HellOoooo?.....Stop funding gain of function research, and prosecute Fauci and Daiszak.
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So, at the end of the day, China needs to get nuked regardlessTwo other recent papers on the matter. Currently the evidence for natural origins vastly outweighs the evidence for a lab origin.
Evidence suggests pandemic came from nature, not a lab, panel says
New report takes sides in debate over COVID-19’s origins
and this one from Sept 2021 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8373617/
This evidence includes
-the emergence of two distinct lineages in/around the Huanan market
- genomic analyses from hundreds of samples taken from the epicenter of the SARS-COV-2 outbreak -environmental samples (that were positive for SARS-COV-2) taken directly from the Huanan wet market and sewage drains nearby
-positive samples taken from specific vendor stalls and animal cages
-mapping of the cases that occurred around the market. All of these are cited in the papers I posted above.
-lack of comparable epidemiological patterns from the area surrounding the WIV (which is ~14 miles away from the Huanan market).
Proponents of the lab leak hypothesis, which is still very possible, have yet to provide substantial or conclusive evidence. That hypothesis has been largely supported by opinion pieces, conspiracy hypotheses, and conjecture.
The lab leak proponents also have many fair points about the opacity of the chinese government and its refusal to collaborate with scientists studying Sars-cov-2.
China would have done the experiments anyway.
The Chinese government were pushing for big results while at the same time not providing sufficient funds for safety measures. That is how China roles.
Giving money is soft diplomacy.
It's a way of knowing what is going on.
You guys live erbb's razor land.
Which has what to do with Covid? Nothing? Oh. I’m sure Russia would have let the world know if Fauci was behind Covid.
Btw, Of course we have bio weapons. So does Russia. And China and India etc.
Not everyone. No one in my family household has had it. I've read conflictng reports from 40%-60%, to "we don't know" because of asymptomatic cases.
As far as the origin, "we don't know" is the best answer. Even Fauci says so.
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Scientist who worked at Wuhan lab says COVID was man-made virus
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December 3, 2022
A scientist who worked at a controversial research lab in China has claimed that COVID was a man-made virus that leaked from the facility, according to a report.
Andrew Huff, who worked for a New York-based non-profit that studied viruses, said COVID leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China two-plus years ago and blamed authorities for the “biggest US intelligence failure since 9/11,” Britain’s The Sun reported Saturday.
The lab has been at the center of fierce debates about the origins of COVID, with both Chinese government officials and lab personnel denying that the virus leaked from the facility.
Huff, an epidemiologist, said in his new book, “The Truth About Wuhan,” that the pandemic was the result of the US government’s funding of coronaviruses in China.
He said that China’s gain-of-function experiments were carried out with lax security, which led to a leak at the Wuhan lab.
“Foreign laboratories did not have the adequate control measures in place for ensuring proper biosafety, biosecurity, and risk management, ultimately resulting in the lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” he said in his book, which was exclusively excerpted in the newspaper.
Over the last two years, increasing evidence has suggested that the virus was leaked from the lab.
.....Huff is a former vice president of EcoHealth Alliance, a New York-based non-profit that studies infectious diseases. The group has been studying different coronaviruses in bats for more than a decade with funding from the National Institutes of Health, and had forged close ties to the Wuhan lab.
Huff, who worked at EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016, said that the non-profit helped the Wuhan lab put together the “best existing methods to engineer bat coronaviruses to attack other species” for many years.
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Scientist who worked at Wuhan lab says COVID was man-made virus
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December 3, 2022
A scientist who worked at a controversial research lab in China has claimed that COVID was a man-made virus that leaked from the facility, according to a report.
Andrew Huff, who worked for a New York-based non-profit that studied viruses, said COVID leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China two-plus years ago and blamed authorities for the “biggest US intelligence failure since 9/11,” Britain’s The Sun reported Saturday.
The lab has been at the center of fierce debates about the origins of COVID, with both Chinese government officials and lab personnel denying that the virus leaked from the facility.
Huff, an epidemiologist, said in his new book, “The Truth About Wuhan,” that the pandemic was the result of the US government’s funding of coronaviruses in China.
He said that China’s gain-of-function experiments were carried out with lax security, which led to a leak at the Wuhan lab.
“Foreign laboratories did not have the adequate control measures in place for ensuring proper biosafety, biosecurity, and risk management, ultimately resulting in the lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” he said in his book, which was exclusively excerpted in the newspaper.
Over the last two years, increasing evidence has suggested that the virus was leaked from the lab.
.....Huff is a former vice president of EcoHealth Alliance, a New York-based non-profit that studies infectious diseases. The group has been studying different coronaviruses in bats for more than a decade with funding from the National Institutes of Health, and had forged close ties to the Wuhan lab.
Huff, who worked at EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016, said that the non-profit helped the Wuhan lab put together the “best existing methods to engineer bat coronaviruses to attack other species” for many years.
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