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retodd

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i would say more is more

more concave = more fun

less concave = more easy going

the vee's and doubles are set in place to " loosen " up the board . i think they slow it down too and in return that gives the rider more control .

deep single nose to tail will produce the most dynamic ride ( imho ) but requires a personalized board .

mild singles with some double and or vee are best suited for " one size fits all type " or " otr " boards
 
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retodd

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come on now

if i am wrong i want you to tell me why <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

those are just my findings from riding everything i can get my hands on

right now the deep single from nose to tail rules all ( hpsb )
 
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tedshred

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come on now

if i am wrong i want you to tell me why <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

those are just my findings from riding everything i can get my hands on

right now the deep single from nose to tail rules all ( hpsb )
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I dunno I like all single in lined up quality waves but they can feel a little stiff and tracky in more broken up waves. For junkier stuff i feel like I can surf better in the pocket and do tighter turns with double as it goes rail to rail easier.
 
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i would say more is more

more concave = more fun

less concave = more easy going

the vee's and doubles are set in place to " loosen " up the board . i think they slow it down too and in return that gives the rider more control .

deep single nose to tail will produce the most dynamic ride ( imho ) but requires a personalized board .

mild singles with some double and or vee are best suited for " one size fits all type " or " otr " boards
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my findings as well
 
Aruka

Aruka

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Liking deep single the most right now. I like the lower stringer rocker for wave catching and I feel like I get more drive vs. single to double. No problem turning tight in the pocket but I spend time to get fins dialed.

I've ridden some good single to double's. I think JS does a real nice job with them.
 
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You rule the minds here .

This makes it correct .
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Wow.
You may be a good shaper...I liked a set of your fins i had...but boy do you come across as a first class douchebag on this bb. Apparently nobody is allowed to have an opinion if it doesn't agree with your expertise.
But these are just words...I had a nice dinner with my wife and son. I come in peace.
 
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In my experience singles all the way through feel by far the fastest and cleanest in most conditions...single to double is more forgiving but always feels like I'm dragging something extra...just what I've found for my personal preference...YMMV. But I'm no legend shaper, gods gift to the interweb. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/monkey.gif" alt="" />
 
Aruka

Aruka

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Aren't deep singles almost always stabilized by some vee behind the rear fin?
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Nope. Some of my boards, like my 6'2" coil, have the concave flatten out behind the rear fin. My WD has concave all the way to the tip of the diamond tail.
 
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griffinsurfboard

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You need to keep things in context .

Retodds statement was in reply to my response to this .


As for the difference between single all the way through and single to double. The single to double in my opinion is better for average waves and high performance surfing. The double concave in front of you center fin allows the water to break apart in front of the fin and helps the board loosen up allowing for an easier, springy feeling. Single concave can still be loose but will be better for more drawn out turns and hold through turns. Opposed to the double that will allow release and slide. Add some vee in the tail with either of these combos for increased turning ease. Overall I like singles with vee in the tail or single to double with vee in the tail. Straight singles are good but I think they kinda have their place in certain waves. To me they are not the best all around bottom contour. Deep singles are great for hold and speed and lighter singles with be easier to get going in smaller waves and will still allow for carving turns and hold.


What your realizing after 20 years of concaves is .....

Less gets you more .


oceanguy

If you try you can read how less concave is working better for this poster.

 
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Maz

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Deep singles are fast and feel great - if you're in clean conditions.

Any chop, and you bog. That's where old fashioned vee to spiral vee bottoms
come in.

Ask Matt Biolos; he knows this.
 
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Maz

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Greg, didn't mean to preach to you. You know 1mio times more about boards than I. It was just a comment to the concave good; more concave more better (as they say in Indo)
 
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griffinsurfboard

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Oceanguy got all upset .

Your observation was good just as the posters comments I copied and responded to.

Another thing to think about is what your rocker is designed for and how the concave changes that .

Design Stuff ! . <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
 
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retodd

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GG ,

back when you were experimenting with concaves ( long time ago i know ) were you making lets say 3 of the same boards . one with a single - single to double - flat ?
 
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griffinsurfboard

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I made and rode higher rocker single concave boards in 1994 at Blue Hawaii .

We made what Glen wanted which were what the market wanted .

I made a demo with lower tail rocker with a flat bottom and most of the early morning crew liked as it was freer and planed better at low end .

99.99 % of all boards have some sort of concave bottom .

I just have a different concept that works too .

In no way am I claiming it to be THE WAY . <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As far as the first concave boards in 1971 -5
Slight convex bottoms were found to be better all around with some small areas of concave incorporated into them .
 
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