Can we talk about the keto diet?

[casa_mugrienta]

I guess everyone is different.

I have found priming my body with about 200 cals 2-3 hrs prior to any AM surf session or run makes 100% difference for me.

 

[Ifallalot]

I guess everyone is different.

I have found priming my body with about 200 cals 2-3 hrs prior to any AM surf session or run makes 100% difference for me.

Yeah I think we're all guilty of projecting what works for us as individuals onto others when talking about performance or nutrition.

 

[FecalFace]

Remember when in the 70's when science said eat less fat...

Yeah, still works.

lol no

Science denying circle jerk - COMPLETE

 

[FecalFace]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

I have 10 years of my own personal documented data on exercise output (cycling power (watts), running (pace/anaerobic threshold) and swimming (distance/time) that clearly shows (in my own personal experience) that my performance is best in a fasted state at about 2 hours after waking up.

No breakfast = significantly better performance (in my case).

So if you eat nothing and than burn 7000 calories in 3 hours, makes for better performance?

 

[aldo]

I like to skip breakfast most days but will grab a bite when hungry. Works for me.
After a long surf I need something to eat for sure but generally don’t get in for an early session except on the weekend.
It gives the body a chance to purge all the crap. Drink plenty of water at night and in the morning.

 

[GWS]

Well, I've always said the erBB can argue about a ham sandwich.

In this case, literally.

Do I eat the ham between two pieces of lettuce or do I put that between two slices of bread?

Page 5, here we go.

 

[Ifallalot]

Remember when in the 70's when science said eat less fat...

Yeah, still works.

lol no

Science denying circle jerk - COMPLETE

 

[Ifallalot]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

I have 10 years of my own personal documented data on exercise output (cycling power (watts), running (pace/anaerobic threshold) and swimming (distance/time) that clearly shows (in my own personal experience) that my performance is best in a fasted state at about 2 hours after waking up.

No breakfast = significantly better performance (in my case).

So if you eat nothing and than burn 7000 calories in 3 hours, makes for better performance?

Yes

That's how body fat gets burnt

 

[ElOgro]

Your three basic food groups

Any meal, any time!

:facelick:

 

[Mr Doof]

One thing that much of the research ignores (Dr. Jeff Volek completely ignored this concept in one of his review papers) is that, while many health problems can be associated with excess carbohydrate consumption, we also live way longer than our ancestors did. It's reasonable to conclude that our food had something to do with our increased lifespan.

Where is the love for public sanitation (sewer system), aqueducts (clean water), other civil works, and a marked decrease in Biblical wrath?

PS

Just had a home-made truffle someone brought in. A nice counter balance to the espresso still lingering on my tongue from a few minutes back.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

I guess everyone is different.

I have found priming my body with about 200 cals 2-3 hrs prior to any AM surf session or run makes 100% difference for me.

I was the same...

...until I drastically lowered my carb intake....

 

[ghostshaper]

I'm learning a lot:

personal anecdotal evidence (sample size of 1) > science

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

I have 10 years of my own personal documented data on exercise output (cycling power (watts), running (pace/anaerobic threshold) and swimming (distance/time) that clearly shows (in my own personal experience) that my performance is best in a fasted state at about 2 hours after waking up.

No breakfast = significantly better performance (in my case).

So if you eat nothing and than burn 7000 calories in 3 hours, makes for better performance?

7000 calories? In 3 hours?

Lol.

But to answer your question (at least the time aspect of it) I find that I don’t need to consume anything (water or sugar) for any workout up to two hours. After that I’ll need at least some kind of sport drink or maybe a GU.

This is the case whether I start my workout in a fasted state or not.

Performance is still better if I start fasted.

I completed an ironman without eating anything on race day until 2 1/2 hour into the race.

 

[Billy Ocean]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

Do you think 50,000 yrs ago humans were eating regularly spaced meals?

Fasting is totally normal

 

[Billy Ocean]

You have to be skeptical of nutrition/ fitness “science”

They always take random lumps off the couch for their studies and then have them do temporary diet/exercise changes

The short term adaptations are not very relevant for people who exercise regularly and watch what they eat over the long term

 

[casa_mugrienta]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

Do you think 50,000 yrs ago humans were eating regularly spaced meals?

Fasting is totally normal

And a little over 200 years ago the human sleep pattern was biphasic.

I have no idea how humans ate 50,000 years ago. What evidence do we have other than speculation?

 

[FecalFace]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

I have 10 years of my own personal documented data on exercise output (cycling power (watts), running (pace/anaerobic threshold) and swimming (distance/time) that clearly shows (in my own personal experience) that my performance is best in a fasted state at about 2 hours after waking up.

No breakfast = significantly better performance (in my case).

So if you eat nothing and than burn 7000 calories in 3 hours, makes for better performance?

Yes

That's how body fat gets burnt

It's not physically possible for body to convert fat into that much energy over a few hours.

You would bonk HARD.

More science denying Rogan regurgitation.



Fvcking clueless.

 

[drunjk]

the keto diet is a comedy that ends in tragedy

 

[FecalFace]

The key is skip breakfast...(intermittent fasting).

Disagree, and disagree about the meal skipping in general.

http://time.com/4786181/skipping-breakfast-health-benefits/

There is lots of scientific research suggesting you're fvcking with your body's ability to control glucose and many suggestions you're increasing the risk of type 2 diabetes long term. And the correlations are interesting as well.

Was going to link to the actual research but the first thing I got when I googled was this:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/national/skip-breakfast-science-says-that-may-increase-your-type-2-diabetes-risk-1/896600930
which is a pretty good summary with recent research.

Aside from that the body needs calories and nutrition to function. It's common sense.

Your body will tell you this when you compare any sort of AM exercise a few hours after eating a small meal vs eating nothing.

I have 10 years of my own personal documented data on exercise output (cycling power (watts), running (pace/anaerobic threshold) and swimming (distance/time) that clearly shows (in my own personal experience) that my performance is best in a fasted state at about 2 hours after waking up.

No breakfast = significantly better performance (in my case).

So if you eat nothing and than burn 7000 calories in 3 hours, makes for better performance?

7000 calories? In 3 hours?

Lol.

But to answer your question (at least the time aspect of it) I find that I don’t need to consume anything (water or sugar) for any workout up to two hours. After that I’ll need at least some kind of sport drink or maybe a GU.

This is the case whether I start my workout in a fasted state or not.

Performance is still better if I start fasted.

I completed an ironman without eating anything on race day until 2 1/2 hour into the race.

LOL all you want, It's not uncommon for cyclist to burn 6-7000 calories on a mountain stage in a race.

 

[FecalFace]

the keto diet is a comedy that ends in tragedy

Yup.

The tragedy comes when your liver, kidneys, arteries and your gut tell you to fück off after years of being abused by a diet fad that you picked up from some podcast.