Can we talk about something that actually matters.....property taxes

[laidback]

There's a good chance they're going up quite a bit.
They say it's for the school & the children but the money will never reach the classrooms

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

It’s for underfunded pensions.

 

[laidback]

Measure EE

& Garcetti is a dick

 

[Ifallalot]

There's a good chance they're going up quite a bit.
They say it's for the school & the children but the money will never reach the classrooms

This is like all taxes.

 

[Your Moms Dildo]

Got a link to what is being proposed?

 

[Ifallalot]

Got a link to what is being proposed?

https://laist.com/2019/06/03/measure_ee_lausd_tax_hike.php

Only LAUSD will be affected

 

[hal9000]

Maybe you guys fvcked yourselves with prop 13 years ago.

And maybe the real topic here is not so much property taxes, but rather the state's school funding formula.

 

[Ifallalot]

Maybe you guys fvcked yourselves with prop 13 years ago.

And maybe the real topic here is not so much property taxes, but rather the state's school funding formula.

No, Prop 13 keeps us from being fucked yearly by a state government that's never seen a dollar they don't want to confiscate

The real topic isn't funding, its over-spending

Methinks I remember something about a "rainy day fund" that would be perfect in this situation.

 

[hal9000]

Maybe you guys fvcked yourselves with prop 13 years ago.

And maybe the real topic here is not so much property taxes, but rather the state's school funding formula.

No, Prop 13 keeps us from being fucked yearly by a state government that's never seen a dollar they don't want to confiscate

The real topic isn't funding, its over-spending

Methinks I remember something about a "rainy day fund" that would be perfect in this situation.

Fair points, and I'll admit that I don't have a great understanding of Prop 13 because I haven't done much research on it. But on the surface, it seems like it could have robbed school districts of funding and local control.

I think you may be using the term over-spending as a proxy for "out-of-control population growth".

 

[laidback]

"out-of-control population growth".

Are you referring to illegal immigration

 

[hal9000]

"out-of-control population growth".

Are you referring to illegal immigration

I'm referring to the fact that California has a gigantic population. The guys who grew up there can probably attest to the fact that population growth has put a strain on resources and infrastructure in the state.

I'd be willing to bet that tract housing has killed many a good dirt biking spot since the 1960s.

 

[afoaf]

I think Garcetti has a point though...

these guys are already in the red, but an increased parcel tax is going to pay for raises?

what's going to pay off all the other debt?

what am I missing?

 

[Ifallalot]

I think Garcetti has a point though...

these guys are already in the red, but an increased parcel tax is going to pay for raises?

what's going to pay off all the other debt?

what am I missing?

Just another band-aid feelz tax increase that does nothing in the long run besides cost taxpayers money

 

[afoaf]

what's crazy is that this is how they got out of the teacher's strike

if this fails, the money doesn't materialize, and the strike resumes.

 

[GromsDad]

Property taxes is one thing that I can't complain about personally. I life in a modest home in a summer seasonal beach town filled with multi-million dollar mansions, condos and beach homes. These homes don't generate kids in the school system and use virtually no city services 9 months out of the year. Basically huge ratables that use no city services. Because of that the property and school taxes on my modest 60s era split level on a nice sized lot are under $2,500 a year.

 

[GDaddy]

As I understand it the state's Constitution requires it to support public schools so - unlike a municipality - the counties and the school districts cannot be allowed to go bankrupt. Prop 13 came about in the first place to stabilize tax assessments and it was sold on the basis of preventing seniors and people living on fixed incomes from getting taxed out of their homes.

I think a compromise might involve removing the limitation on tax increases on everything except individual dwellings. That will mean tax assessments will float with the value - up or down - on residential apartment properties, retail, commercial, industrial, probably most forms of land and so on. It's still going to be hard for them to maintain schools in counties that are predominantly residential or government owned but those tend to be rural anyway.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Maybe you guys fvcked yourselves with prop 13 years ago.

And maybe the real topic here is not so much property taxes, but rather the state's school funding formula.

No, Prop 13 keeps us from being fucked yearly by a state government that's never seen a dollar they don't want to confiscate

The real topic isn't funding, its over-spending

Methinks I remember something about a "rainy day fund" that would be perfect in this situation.

Fair points, and I'll admit that I don't have a great understanding of Prop 13 because I haven't done much research on it. But on the surface, it seems like it could have robbed school districts of funding and local control.

I think you may be using the term over-spending as a proxy for "out-of-control population growth".

LAUSD has one of the largest per pupil expenditure rates in the country. It also has a declining student population.

This tax is about one thing and one thing only, underfunded pensions for retired and retiring teachers.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

As I understand it the state's Constitution requires it to support public schools so - unlike a municipality - the counties and the school districts cannot be allowed to go bankrupt. Prop 13 came about in the first place to stabilize tax assessments and it was sold on the basis of preventing seniors and people living on fixed incomes from getting taxed out of their homes.

I think a compromise might involve removing the limitation on tax increases on everything except individual dwellings. That will mean tax assessments will float with the value - up or down - on residential apartment properties, retail, commercial, industrial, probably most forms of land and so on. It's still going to be hard for them to maintain schools in counties that are predominantly residential or government owned but those tend to be rural anyway.

Our state government has plenty of money already. We are taxed enough.

 

[Your Moms Dildo]

They always pretend it's for the children.

Remember how the lottery was going to fund our schools and make some instant millionaires?

I'm with Duffy here. F these assholes.

 

[everysurfer]

Property taxes is one thing that I can't complain about personally. I life in a modest home in a summer seasonal beach town filled with multi-million dollar mansions, condos and beach homes. These homes don't generate kids in the school system and use virtually no city services 9 months out of the year. Basically huge ratables that use no city services. Because of that the property and school taxes on my modest 60s era split level on a nice sized lot are under $2,500 a year.

So you are a liberal in conservatives clothing? You don't want to pay for what you use, but instead enjoy being subsidized by the wealthy.

Just another in a long line of examples.