A certain poster’s dream. Merry Christmas

[GDaddy]

I know "virtue signaling" has become the phrase du jour on the erbb but it really is meaningless.

I'm talking about acknowledging right or wrong. Personally I'd much rather be a hypocrite that knows right from wrong. People that support ignorance purely to support their own self interest are the worst.

Here's the thing: You can object to the term, but as far as individual actions go he's living in the individual house that he is criticizing other people for doing, whereas I am living in the higher density residential project. In my book, actions > virtue signaling

Now don't get me wrong. It doesn't bother me that he enjoys his house or his long distance commutes to work on the freeways that he hates. I'm not critical of either choice on his part, even though I wouldn't make the same choices. And the point he has been making is undisputed by anyone in this thread that continued sprawl isn't sustainable on the perpetual basis.

But by the same token I am content to allow redevelopment into the higher densities occur on the more organic basis and according to the market conditions as has already been demonstrated to occur, so long as the govt isn't stepping on people's property rights to do it.

Adding a carrot to entice them in the desired direction is far better than hitting them with the stick. IMO

 

[GWS_2]

I've modified my kwanza celebration.

You get to go the house of the white people and shoot a load in the pretty white mom's face while the dad make a sandwich with Italian cold cuts.

I think that will assuage the fears of the white people worried about being subsumed.

I'm thinking about making some poppy seed tea for the holidays even though it always wreaks havoc on my gallbladder next day.

I'm thinking NRA dad would be stoked to score himself a legal kill.

The bestest Christmas evar!!!

Give give give, right?

 

[Autoprax]

I'm thinking NRA dad would be stoked to score himself a legal kill.

The bestest Christmas evar!!!

Give give give, right?

No, the liberals will have taken all his guns away by then as part of the subsuming process.

 

[GDaddy]

Here's an example of zoning encouraging redevelopment: The city of Los Angeles allows high density residential projects to be built on commercially zoned parcels. Most towns don't allow that in their zoning. The result is that parcels fronting many of the blighted commercial corridors in town are being redeveloped into medium density and high density housing. That's a net win for all concerned because the storefronts and other commercial uses that are standing vacant or are being rented for cheap due to the oversupply of such uses is being replaced with a much denser - and far more productive use. The reduction in the supply of the remaining commercial uses decreases so that improves the viability of their business and their rental rates. More *healthy* small businesses among these survivors.

Moreover, since these parcels do front the commercial arterioles they are already within walking distance of the bus lines which feed into the light rail system, so that better enables their utilization. So with this type of redevelopment occurring in this type of location we are avoiding building more schools and supporting services and infrastructure out in the sticks.

TO ME, that's the kind of redevelopment patterns that make sense. After the commercial streets themselves get built out they can move the upzoning out to the next block on either side and those parcels will also be within east walking distance of both the remaining services and the bus /light rail lines. Call me crazy, but I think that makes a lot more sense overall than upzoning parcels out in the desert between Victorville and Barstow where you don't necessarily want higher densities to occur.

 

[GWS_2]

No, the liberals will have taken all his guns away by then as part of the subsuming process.

Enjoy your alternative universe.

 

[FecalFace]

Right,

Because glaring hypocrisy isn't a tell.

Point out where I said that we should abolish single family homes and cars.

Are you high on bedpan fumes again?

 

[FecalFace]

Here's an example of zoning encouraging redevelopment: The city of Los Angeles allows high density residential projects to be built on commercially zoned parcels. Most towns don't allow that in their zoning. The result is that parcels fronting many of the blighted commercial corridors in town are being redeveloped into medium density and high density housing. That's a net win for all concerned because the storefronts and other commercial uses that are standing vacant or are being rented for cheap due to the oversupply of such uses is being replaced with a much denser - and far more productive use. The reduction in the supply of the remaining commercial uses decreases so that improves the viability of their business and their rental rates. More *healthy* small businesses among these survivors.

Moreover, since these parcels do front the commercial arterioles they are already within walking distance of the bus lines which feed into the light rail system, so that better enables their utilization. So with this type of redevelopment occurring in this type of location we are avoiding building more schools and supporting services and infrastructure out in the sticks.

TO ME, that's the kind of redevelopment patterns that make sense. After the commercial streets themselves get built out they can move the upzoning out to the next block on either side and those parcels will also be within east walking distance of both the remaining services and the bus /light rail lines. Call me crazy, but I think that makes a lot more sense overall than upzoning parcels out in the desert between Victorville and Barstow where you don't necessarily want higher densities to occur.

See, you can make sense once you subdue your chick temper and xenophobia.

 

[grapedrink]

I've modified my kwanza celebration.

You get to go the house of the white people and shoot a load in the pretty white mom's face while the dad make a sandwich with Italian cold cuts.

I think that will assuage the fears of the white people worried about being subsumed.

I'm thinking about making some poppy seed tea for the holidays even though it always wreaks havoc on my gallbladder next day.

No mayo on the sandwich though. Black people hate mayonnaise. I learned that from watching Undercover Brother

 

[GDaddy]

See, you can make sense once you subdue your chick temper and xenophobia.

So you're saying you can find a little common ground in there somewhere? Good.

 

[FecalFace]

So you're saying you can find a little common ground in there somewhere? Good.

Not very often.

What I was saying is not all that different, you just don't like to hear it from foreigners who happen to be American citizens.

 

[Autoprax]

No mayo on the sandwich though. Black people hate mayonnaise. I learned that from watching Undercover Brother

My sister's don't like mayoniae.

Probably reminds them of cum.

I love it!

 

[Autoprax]

Enjoy your alternative universe.

Wakanda is not a real place?

 

[GDaddy]

Not very often.

What I was saying is not all that different, you just don't like to hear it from foreigners who happen to be American citizens.

There is some difference in that you seem to favor the central control which overrides the local controls and is indiscriminate in it's application and implementation, whereas I favor the more localized decision making and more focused implementation.

Eventually, I think all high density residential development should be sited within maybe 200-300 yards of a primary or secondary thoroughfare. I think that maybe no light density development should be allowed in those corridors

 

[Kento]

Nothing is "infinitely sustainable."

There are way too many people in this State.

Build a wall. All the way around the State.

Then let the deportations begin.

Start by deporting every H1B visa holder and cutting off all future applications. Also implement a substantial relocation tax on those moving in from out-of-state. More well-paying jobs for Californians and the traffic will get exponentially better via both volume and skill perspective.

I like the wall idea but it should be a large K-rail-style wall so it can be shifted once California annexes Oregon and Washington.

 

[FecalFace]

There is some difference in that you seem to favor the central control which overrides the local controls and is indiscriminate in it's application and implementation, whereas I favor the more localized decision making and more focused implementation.

I think all high density residential development should be sited within maybe 200-300 yards of a primary or secondary thoroughfare.

not really. I think where we don’t see eye to eye, is letting builders and cities “build what sells” instead of what makes sense in terms of sustainability and existing infrastructure.

Where do you think all the cars from the new development off College and 78 and Rancho Del Oro are going to go?

That intersection is a clusterfuck right now, let alone adding several thousand residents and hundreds of cars.

Playing to the lowest common denominator becuz free markut.

 

[manbearpig]

Just proves they are all for government when it benefits them directly. They would be all for single payer health care if they got cancer and it stood to bankrupt them. It is the clear difference between the two sides. Trump just passed the family leave act that gives government parents 12 weeks full paid leave. Where is the outcry? Socialism is fine if it is for your side.

Yep. They constantly prove this.

 

[GDaddy]

not really. I think where we don’t see eye to eye, is letting builders and cities “build what sells” instead of what makes sense in terms of sustainability and existing infrastructure.

Where do you think all the cars from the new development off College and 78 and Rancho Del Oro are going to go?

That intersection is a clusterfuck right now, let alone adding several thousand residents and hundreds of cars.

Playing to the lowest common denominator becuz free markut.

So you're not in favor of building more housing in close to transportation and services?

IRL that site was always going to get built out. Under your ideal it would have ended up with 4x more density than is already going in there because "urbanization".

The alternative of building that site out would have been to shuffle that project further out. Exactly the thing you don't want.

 

[FecalFace]

So you're not in favor of building more housing in close to transportation and services?

IRL that site was always going to get built out. Under your ideal it would have ended up with 4x more density than is already going in there because "urbanization".

The alternative of building that site out would have been to shuffle that project further out. Exactly the thing you don't want.

It wouldn't be a problem if there are plans to build the infrastructure to support it. As far as I know, nothing is planned.

Train service is a joke as it is now because there is no supporting network.

 

[GDaddy]

Part of the approvals for that project will have included various studies relating to traffic management and such. It's really common for the development of a subdivision to be required to install a signalized traffic controls at an intersection that's down the road. Or adding lanes to an existing road to handle more traffic. Etc.

Not really any different in effect than doubling the allowable density in an older neighborhood that was mapped in the 1900s and which has narrow streets which cannot readily accommodate twice the traffic and on-street parking. Either way they're adding to the traffic and parking situations. The same with urbanization along the existing traffic corridors - you're going to get more traffic overall. There's no way around that.

 

[Ifallalot]