“I’ll only be a dictator on day one”…..imagine if Obama said this.

kidfury

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like I have said look to see who is actively fighting AGAINST something
Enough reason for millions to vote for him - right here

Headline in Bloomberg

"Davos Elite See Trump Among Hurdles for Green Growth in 2024"
that's not an answer. like I said before, you're so free to write whatever nonsense you like because no one expects anything else from you.
 
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what is it?
(look at what he did the first time as well)

Trump’s goal, he says, is for the U.S. to have the lowest-cost energy and electricity of any nation in the world, including China.

Under the mantra “DRILL, BABY, DRILL,” he says he would ramp up oil drilling on public lands and offer tax breaks to oil, gas, and coal producers. He would roll back Biden administration efforts to encourage the adoption of electric cars and reverse proposed new pollution limits that would require at least 54% of new vehicles sold in the U.S. to be electric by 2030.

And again, he says, he will exit the Paris Climate Accords, end wind subsidies and eliminate regulations imposed and proposed by the Biden admiration targeting incandescent lightbulbs, gas stoves, dishwashers and shower heads.
 
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(look at what he did the first time as well)

Trump’s goal, he says, is for the U.S. to have the lowest-cost energy and electricity of any nation in the world, including China.

Under the mantra “DRILL, BABY, DRILL,” he says he would ramp up oil drilling on public lands and offer tax breaks to oil, gas, and coal producers. He would roll back Biden administration efforts to encourage the adoption of electric cars and reverse proposed new pollution limits that would require at least 54% of new vehicles sold in the U.S. to be electric by 2030.

And again, he says, he will exit the Paris Climate Accords, end wind subsidies and eliminate regulations imposed and proposed by the Biden admiration targeting incandescent lightbulbs, gas stoves, dishwashers and shower heads.
So basically he wants to roll things back to what it was in the '70s, when So Cal had something like 100 days a year of smog alerts.

Because that's how you MAGA!
 

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So basically he wants to roll things back to what it was in the '70s, when So Cal had something like 100 days a year of smog alerts.

Because that's how you MAGA!
Not quite.

Mostly, it's to remove Fed guv mandates that force auto companies to be mostly EV by 2030, and other wind/solar mandates be enforced by certain near future dates. These mandates force companies to make products much more expensive and not ready for primetime before infrastructures can handle them.

ICE's will eventually face a demise, but it will take many, many years (decades) to get even close for all.

Meanwhile, China, India, and other developing 3rd world will continue to use MORE coal, oil and fossil fuels outpacing any attempts by USA and EU in reducing them. Net effect, is more GLOBAL CO2 and toxic pollution than ever before in the next 10, 20, 30+ years.

Why doesn't the UN/IPCC mandate that ALL countries reduce fossil fuels NOW, if it's such an "existential threat to all mankind". But no, they need to catch up to the 1st world, first. Hell with actual Climate Change hype. Climate Equity in full force.
 
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Not quite.

Mostly, it's to remove Fed guv mandates that force auto companies to be mostly EV by 2030, and other wind/solar mandates be enforced by certain near future dates. These mandates force companies to make products much more expensive and not ready for primetime before infrastructures can handle them.

ICE's will eventually face a demise, but it will take many, many years (decades) to get even close for all.

Meanwhile, China, India, and other developing 3rd world will continue to use MORE coal, oil and fossil fuels outpacing any attempts by USA and EU in reducing them. Net effect, is more CO2 and toxic pollution than ever before in the next 10, 20, 30+ years.

Why doesn't the UN/IPCC mandate that ALL countries reduce fossil fuels NOW, if it's such an "existential threat to all mankind". But no, they need to catch up to the 1st world, first. Hell with actual Climate Change hype. Climate Equity in full force.
1. what about
2.
The energy plan is to pollute more. And give tax breaks to enormously profitable oil companies.
OK.
 

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1. what about
2.
The energy plan is to pollute more. And give tax breaks to enormously profitable oil companies.
OK.
While China corners the market on everything battery, solar panel and EV.

They see the AGW blind, forced mandates for batteries, solar and EV's the coming decades, and will own it ALL, just in time for ALL of us to be FORCED to buy them.

Perfect.

China is planning for the next 100 years.

Biden is planning to get out of the next paper bag, hopefully.
 
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My point is the 2024 election is still a coin flip. Don't be so sure Trump will lose. I don't care what Dems think. I'm more interested in what Trumpers think because recent polls show Trump slightly ahead of Biden.

#1 - Economy: Inflation is trending downward, unemployment is low, economic growth is good, stock market at all-time high

#2 - The Border: Immigration is 2nd most important issue to Trumpers, and Biden and Dems are SILENT about the border. That looks like open border policy, replacement theory.

2024 Presidential Election Polls: Biden vs. Trump - 270toWin
Stock market is basically back to where it was 2 years ago. Woohoo.

Nasdaq not yet.

2 years of stagnation, now trying to finally gain some headway.

I have a feeling we're going to see a fairly flat year from here, at best.
Maybe some ups to new highs, but a bumpy ride up and down with little year end gains to show.

Corpo BK's highest in 13 years.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-bankruptcies-surged-18-2023-seen-rising-again-2024-report-2024-01-03/#:~:text=US bankruptcies surged 18% in,again in 2024 -report | Reuters

More layoffs ahead?

If Middle East (multiple blow-up regions), Ukraine or other sketchy area skirmishes heats up more, setting up oil spikes?
All bets are off.
 

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While China corners the market on everything battery, solar panel and EV.

They see the AGW blind, forced mandates for batteries, solar and EV's the coming decades, and will own it ALL, just in time for ALL of us to be FORCED to buy them.

Perfect.

China is planning for the next 100 years.

Biden is planning to get out of the next paper bag, hopefully.
So, you're not for the MAGA energy plan as described by shex
 

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My point is the 2024 election is still a coin flip. Don't be so sure Trump will lose. I don't care what Dems think. I'm more interested in what Trumpers think because recent polls show Trump slightly ahead of Biden.

#1 - Economy: Inflation is trending downward, unemployment is low, economic growth is good, stock market at all-time high

#2 - The Border: Immigration is 2nd most important issue to Trumpers, and Biden and Dems are SILENT about the border. That looks like open border policy, replacement theory.

2024 Presidential Election Polls: Biden vs. Trump - 270toWin
1. There is no data that exists or will ever exist that could possibly convince a Trumper that the economy is in fact humming right along. Only getting their guy in office will change their mind.
2. Biden could close and seal the border tomorrow and a Trumper will continue to believe that hordes of brown murderers and rapists (and some good people) are coming across to cause mayhem and get welfare and take good jobs from hard working Americans. Only getting their guy in office will change their mind.
 

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TIL all time highs are considered "basically back to where it was"

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
It took 2 years to get back to where it is now.

What's so epic/awesome about losing all of 2022 (full on bear market), and spending all of 2023 to just get it back again?

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So epic.

Compared to Trump years, even WITH the Covid Black Swan dive/sell-off in early 2020.
Coming back stronger than ever in a few months to new market record highs.

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We'll be lucky if 2024 is flat/break-even by year end from here.
Maybe a up a few % at the very best, if we're really lucky.
 

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It took 2 years to get back to where it is now.

What's so epic/awesome about losing all of 2022 (full on bear market), and spending all of 2023 to just get it back again?

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So epic.

Compared to Trump years, even WITH the Covid Black Swan dive/sell-off in early 2020.
Coming back stronger than ever in a few months to new market record highs.

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We'll be lucky if 2024 is flat/break-even by year end from here.
Maybe a up a few % at the very best, if we're really lucky.
nice wall of text, chickenfkr

we're at all time highs

so, not "basically back to where we were", like you said.

too bad Trump inflated the money supply with covid relief funds and shut down sectors of the economy

you're so ridiculous, you have negative credibility
 

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nice wall of text, chickenfkr

we're at all time highs

so, not "basically back to where we were", like you said.

too bad Trump inflated the money supply with covid relief funds and shut down sectors of the economy

you're so ridiculous, you have negative credibility
It seems you also can't read charts either.

We're a few points higher in the SP500 from just over 2 years ago.

Get back to me when we're past the 2 year highs by significant numbers.

Dow is about 3% higher than the 2 year ago peaks. So celebrate, celebrate, dance to the muuuusic.:dancing:
 
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bwok bwok bwok chickenfkr is fkn the chicken, boys!

always mischaracterizing in a clumsy and blatant attempt to reinforce your comical bias
 

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Does anyone here think Trump was being serious when he said this?
:porcorn: :roflmao:

Give me a break. It's just the usual twisting of words to fit your narrative (many fine people etc) it's played out, like racist, nazi,etc