DANKPU feels boarderline sexual
Thats "Chronic" !!
;-)
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DANKPU feels boarderline sexual
Thats "Chronic" !!
;-)
Not trying to provoke anything, but confused by this response...No doubt. I tried ordering from a particular shaper once and they asked me to snail mail a check for the deposit before talking further.
tried with another and took a week to hear back then lots of missed calls trying to talk.
using the cacanalogy, not all resturants are the same. Some people just dig chili’s.
cacanalogy
If I order a McTomo happy meal but get a Danmannglar figurine, I'm asking to speak to the manager.firewire = mcdonalds
selling happy meals since day one
Nah. It’s not like a local restaurant.Not trying to provoke anything, but confused by this response...
I am confused by the restaurant analogy, I like local restaurants, and nearly 100% of the time when I go to the local restaurant, I see the menu, and know what I paying for without any entrance fee. Only once you know the place, do the special meals happen. Even before then, there is a basic menu.
so do you keep trying to pay for someone's business and time when they don't respect yours? or blindly send funds with no clear expectations in what you might get? I tend to value my money a little more than this. Once I have an established relationship - no problem in sending funds just like trusting the cook at the local restaurant. For this to happen an initial attempt by both parties is required.
I have ordered and tried other board. I had Timmy Patterson pool party. One of Italos personal boards for the surf ranch that was then given to Archie. Archie broke the nose and turned it in. I bought it from Scotty, fixed it, rode it and liked it a lot. But the PU was heavy and the pointy nose bothered me.There was no hyperbole...
Correct - hence the McDonald's analogy.
Correct - hence the McDonald's analogy.
Like all things in life, lessons learned. Dining outside McDonalds entails great risk.
RE: the customs hassle. For some reason many of us don't have the same problem. Some of those above issues that have come up recently have been with a specific manufacturer - a manufacturer I learned not to do business with a while back.
I'd venture to say the vast majority of customs get made without issue. In the past 15 -20 years I can think of twice that I've had an actual legit fvckup issue. One was with the aforementioned O'side manufacturer (was never made right) the other was with Album (it was made right that same day).
Between that there have been many, many boards because I surf a lot. Most ridden til the death. And they've been made without a major hitch. Not bad.
I'm not arguing against OTR boards.
I think there are a lot of people that would disagree with you in that regard but if that's what you think so be it.
Aside from XTR, how many custom surfboards have you ordered in your life?
You seem to be constantly buying and selling surfboards. You live insanely far inland (I really do admire your dedication) but this has got to cut into your surf time and which leads me to this: There is benefit in getting a board dialed aside from surfing better - when you get a board dialed you learn what you like, don't like, and then use that knowledge to your advantage with future surfboards.
For someone who loves surfing as much as you do it would be worth your time expanding your horizons outside the narrow window you seem to be in. Try some different shapers (only shapers who will talk with the customer) and ride some PUs. It may be a bit of a process but worth it in the end. In light of the boards you ride (Tomo only) you'll have to start at square one and it may be a bit of a journey but you seem to buy a lot of different and expensive surfboards so it's well within your reach.
more like they cut out the most important part. the surfer shaper relationship. u think any wsl pro would have consistent results by riding otr fireturd popouts?I think you guys have a distorted view of Firewire because its different than going to your shapers spot, talking design and boards, have a beer or whatever and write up an order for a new custom. Which is totally cool and i like that experience as well. But Firewire cuts out the bullshit.
I will acquiesce.more like they cut out the most important part. the surfer shaper relationship. u think any wsl pro would have consistent results by riding otr fireturd popouts?
again, u are under the cult of mark price and being brainwashed. hence calling the most important part of board acquisition bs.
like i said before, u need to really be in the shaping bay with someone good and plan on 3 iterations of the board after talking detail with the shaper. this is what the pros do.
This the same thing that put all other American mfg out-of-business so that we no longer know how to make important stuff like semiconductors.$150 is the number I've heard, but no evidence of that.
Cheap, foreign labor. Buying materials in bulk. Possible tax breaks due to amount of volume being made/shipped. They are doing major volume so they are probably getting pricing on materials, shipping, labor, storage, infrastructure that no other board maker has or maybe ever had.
Same with every industry in the USA. @j_mac makes good points though. Nothing is stopping these other shapers from putting more information out there and answering emails. Mayhem, for example, has a pretty good volume calculator, but I couldn't walk into a shop and order a custom. I had to order through Catalyst who answered some extra questions. I suppose if firewire's margins are that much higher, they can pay people to answer all those questions for them and do extra marketing, like @racer1 said.what people don't realize, especially newbies, adult learners etc, is that it is the relationship with the shaper that will get u long term consistent results and allow ur surfing to improve, tiger sheds, moor wavez, etc.
boars have a lot of nuance that affects the ride. don't believe me, measure fin toe and cant and report back. i had boards that felt off and had 1/4" more toe in one side of fin. firewires have tons of little defects, tomos with no hard edge, fins set at inconsistent angles, etc, etc. not to mention non customizable dims, rail volume, rocker adjustment etc. it's cheaper for them to produce their non-custom garbage with high margins and siphon funds into marketing to sell u a polished turd.
advice to all the newbies and adult learners, find a reputable shaper (there's tons in CA if u live here), 3 iterations of the same board. ride, tell shaper what u like, what u don't, refine, adjust, repeat. by boar #3 u will have a winner, maybe even earlier. u will also have valuable info for the shaper for any other boars u decide to go with.
try that with a fireturd! mark price just wants to take advantage of the kooks while burning down the entire surf industry, fk them
Making it big pimpin' if you're an intermediate fatass in waist-stomach high slop where stop-start surfing is dictated by the conditions. Then throw in the durability (except for heat resistance).EPS might flick up to a fast speed at first
A lot of us are surfing small crap most of the time.For me PU/PE is a connected, engaged feeling, and the better the surf the better it feels. The board feels moulded to your feet.
EPS/Epoxy feels skippy and reactive and the better the surf, or with chop or bump, the worse it feels. The board doesn't feel that deep engagement with the wave energy I feel with a well made PU/PE.
Seen so many iterations of EPS tech come through now, but it seems like the majority of surfers who have a skill set end up going back to PU/PE.
Great for the passionate hobbyist surfer but for the casual beach goer who just wants to have fun in the water and maybe gets some exercise at the same time that is a big ask.more like they cut out the most important part. the surfer shaper relationship. u think any wsl pro would have consistent results by riding otr fireturd popouts?
again, u are under the cult of mark price and being brainwashed. hence calling the most important part of board acquisition bs.
like i said before, u need to really be in the shaping bay with someone good and plan on 3 iterations of the board after talking detail with the shaper. this is what the pros do.